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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tarchon" data-source="post: 2492381" data-attributes="member: 5990">It's had all of those since WFRP1, except parts of the combat action system, which definitely has D20 influence. The die mechanic has only changed slightly in WFRP2, with the combat damage going from d6 to d10 - almost everything else has been percentile since the beginning. I would assume that d6 was some kind of wargame holdover.Most old WFRP players I've talked to about it actually figured you got PrCs from WFRP advanced careers. Dagger75 summed it up better than I did. I mean, WFRP has had skills for 20 years, and D&D suddenly dropped "proficiencies" in favor of "skills" like 5 years ago was it? Unless the Games Workshop developers flew into the future in a time machine to steal a copy of 3E, it's not from 3E. They already had the target number convention, they already had the 5% and 10% increments, they already had the talents, they already had the non-cyclic intiative, they already had the advanced careers. Yeah, it's derivative - derivative from first ed. WFRP. Re your comment on the magic system "saves" - that's completely misunderstanding it. When spells do allow resistance (many don't), it's always Will Power, because in WRFP you're not resisting the spell effect as in D&D. What you're resisting is the magic (i.e. chaos), opposing the caster's will. Whenever you resist (or use) magic or chaos, that's what you roll. This Will Power test is not modifed by any abilities of the caster or the level of the spell. It doesn't have automatic failure or automatic success. It's the same roll you make to cast spells, and totally like any other ability check. It's just not the same thing as a D&D save. None of those things you mentioned are any different from regular ability tests, whereas in D&D, you have a special class of tests called saving throws, with special rules, special modifiers, special advancement schemes, and the saves are never used to perform actions. This special statistic class does not exist in WFRP, because anything you would do with a D&D save is integrated into the regular resolution mechanic. That sounds a lot more streamlined to me.</blockquote>

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