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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jürgen Hubert" data-source="post: 2492393" data-attributes="member: 7177">This I can agree with - I appreciate that a lot of serious thought went into designing D&D 3E, and it is indeed good to see to see other game designers give more thought to the actual process of (re)designing an RPG.Emulating the process of designing something does not mean that the final product is derivative, however.Let me see if I can list all the changes from WFRP 1E to 2E, and see how much they resemble D&D 3E:- All primary characteristics are now percentage values - Strength and Toughness used to be values from 1 to 10.It could be argued that this follows a similar trend of "cleaning up" attribute values like that from AD&D2E to D&D3E (Str 18/98, anyone). Still, many gaming systems have used the same scale for all attributes (like Call of Cthulhu), and this is only a minor point.- The distinction between Skills & Talents, as well as Skill Mastery.Yes, this has similarities with the distinction of Skills and Feats with D&D. Still, there always was such a distinction between them mechanically in WFRP1E - it was just that this difference was not spelled out explicitly. Skill Mastery is new, but it is rather different from the way D&D 3E handles things.- Changing the damage dice from 1d6 to 1d10If this is derived from any other system, I'd say the Storyteller system, since the goal here was to use one single dice type for all mechanics - something which D&D has not implemented (though several d20 variants have).- Distinctions between "full actions" and "half actions"Here the influence of D&D is readily observable, and I will concede this point. Still, it is only one of many.- Cleaned up "Basic Careers" and "Advanced Careers" for better game balanceThis is more of an "internal housecleaning". And the "prestige classes" of D&D3E are a rather obvious derivative of the Advanced Classes of WFRP1E, so here it is actually the other way around than you suggest!- An advance will give you a 5% bonus, rather than a 10% bonus.While this is similar to the basic 5% chance that you get on a d20 when you improve or lower the odds by one step, I wouldn't make too much of it. Players have complained for a long time that mundane characters will rapidly gain all advances from interesting Advanced Careers while spellcasters take forever to get anywhere. This, combined with the cleaned up careers and the new Skill Mastery, merely means that characters take a longer time until they "max out" their abilities, and thus enhances long-time play.- The new magic systemThis is actually a huge step away from D&D3E - the old magic system was a rather conventional "resource management" system, while now we have a "risk management" system - the spellcaster always has to ask himself: "Am I willing to risk casting another spell, even though it might have negative consequences for me?" This is more similar to Call of Cthulhu, where casting spells almost always comes with a price.- Reduced number of magic itemsAnother conscious design decision that represents a huge step away from D&D3E. It used to be that magic items were relatively common that PCs might eventually own several of them. Now they are as rare as in Call of Cthulhu - each one is a unique artifact.This is all that I can think of at the moment.. And only in one instance is the derivation from D&D3E obvious - so I maintain that claiming that WFRP is "a clever derivative of D&D 3rd Edition" is wrong.I haven't played it myself, but from what I heard, Inquisitor isn't a "true" RPG but a miniature wargame with RPG elements. But I will leave others who actually know the game to comment on it.Hardly longer at all. The two editions are very similar to each other, apart from the changes I have outlined above.Actually, it could be easily done with WFRP1E as well. In fact, it might even be easier, since the old magic system is closer to D&D than the new one...</blockquote>

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