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<blockquote data-quote="IcyCool" data-source="post: 2493632" data-attributes="member: 20308">You and Ryan seem to have the same definition of &quot;derives&quot;.&nbsp; &quot;Influenced by&quot; and &quot;derives from&quot; are distinctly different.&nbsp; It is entirely possible that both you and Mr. Dancy are intending &quot;derives from&quot; to mean &quot;influenced by&quot;.&nbsp; That is the complaint.&nbsp; I have no value judgement on whether or not Ryan intended one to mean the other.&nbsp; The only thing I can say is that using &quot;derives from&quot; is incorrect.There have been (two? three?) posters who flamed Mr. Dancy, the majority of the posters here are trying to get him to understand where he is factually incorrect.Why exactly are you flaming them?&nbsp; (And yes, saying something along the lines of &quot;the people who are complaining about this are elitists&quot; is a flame against those people.)Edit - I see now that in post #97 you clarify that you are referring only to the few folks who actually flamed Ryan.&nbsp; I will point out that flaming someone is generally not a good idea, regardless of whether or not you think you are justified in doing it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Ryan may have intended to say that &quot;the game shares much in common with 3e&quot;.&nbsp; No one is disputing that.&nbsp; What is in dispute is Ryan's claim that WHFRPG 2 is a &quot;derivative&quot; of 3e.&nbsp; To use your diagram above, it would more accurately be displayed as:[code]AD&amp;D --- Warhammer 1e &nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; v&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; |D&amp;D 3e&nbsp; &lt;-----------&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; v&nbsp;&nbsp; ------&gt;&nbsp; Warhammer 2e[/code]With all of those arrows representing influences.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="IcyCool, post: 2493632, member: 20308"] You and Ryan seem to have the same definition of "derives". "Influenced by" and "derives from" are distinctly different. It is entirely possible that both you and Mr. Dancy are intending "derives from" to mean "influenced by". That is the complaint. I have no value judgement on whether or not Ryan intended one to mean the other. The only thing I can say is that using "derives from" is incorrect. There have been (two? three?) posters who flamed Mr. Dancy, the majority of the posters here are trying to get him to understand where he is factually incorrect. Why exactly are you flaming them? (And yes, saying something along the lines of "the people who are complaining about this are elitists" is a flame against those people.) [i]Edit - I see now that in post #97 you clarify that you are referring only to the few folks who actually flamed Ryan. I will point out that flaming someone is generally not a good idea, regardless of whether or not you think you are justified in doing it. ;)[/i] Ryan may have intended to say that "the game shares much in common with 3e". No one is disputing that. What is in dispute is Ryan's claim that WHFRPG 2 is a "derivative" of 3e. To use your diagram above, it would more accurately be displayed as: [code] AD&D --- Warhammer 1e | | | | v | D&D 3e <----------- | | | | | v ------> Warhammer 2e [/code] With all of those arrows representing influences. [/QUOTE]

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