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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jonny Nexus" data-source="post: 2495739" data-attributes="member: 14664">Okay, my belief is that WFRP 2ed is derived from WFRP 1ed. That is, I believe that Green Ronin took the WFRP 1ed rules, and then added various new elements:- some of which were newly created;- some of which were concepts which - since the writing of 1ed - have become regarded as a universal game concept (such as a universal die roll); and- some of which are concepts found in D&D 3ed (such as full, half and free actions - although other people have claimed that these are in fact universal concepts also).I further believe (and I've played both editions of WFRP plus also D&D 3Ed) that if you were to go through the WFRP 3ed rulebook, circling every single game element (rule, concept etc.) with a colour-coded pencil according to whether it came from the WFRP 1ed rulebook or the D&D 3ed rulebook or a bunch of other rulebooks, it's my opinion that you would find that for every "D&D 3ed circle" you would have literally dozens and dozens of "WFRP 1ed circles".Basically, when I played WFRP 2ed it felt a *lot* like WFRP 1ed, and very little like D&D 3ed. It's the original system, updated. It's not D20. At all.That would simply *not* be the case if WFRP 2ed was indeed derived from D&D 3ed (i.e. if it's rules were based on the D20 SRD, with just a few old WFRP flavour elements thrown in).In short: WFRP 2ed is derived from WFRP 1ed, and *not* D&D 3ed.</blockquote>