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<blockquote data-quote="hamishspence" data-source="post: 4983105" data-attributes="member: 41555"><p><strong>now this is a pretty fair summary of major groups needed</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Technically, Megaraptor wasn't dropped to Large (and Deinonychus to Medium) until the 3.5 errata to the Monster Manual- the print copy of 3.5 rulebook leaves them as Huge and Large.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Actually- that's the kind I would have done with Short Reach- with its body held nearly upright- its head can't reach very far forward.</p><p> </p><p>Whereas with body held horizontally- the jaws are a <em>long</em> way forward of the feet.</p><p> </p><p>Concerning largest members of each general group:</p><p> </p><p>I might place <em>Deltadromeus</em> as the point where Gracile Carnosaur tops out- its long and lean- 44 ft long but only 3.5 tons in weight- (these are just estimates though- based on fragmentary material- the holotype is smaller.)</p><p> </p><p><em>Gojirasaurus</em> and <em>Dilophosaurus</em> work well for smaller ones- they are of similar size and build.</p><p> </p><p>Clawed carnosaurs should probably be split into Spinosaur-type and Neovenator type- with the recent work on the Neovenatorid clade- that includes <em>Megaraptor</em>.</p><p> </p><p><em>Irritator</em> works as the smaller spinosaur, <em>Spinosaurus</em> itself as the biggest- with <em>Suchiomimus</em> and <em>Baryonyx</em> mid-way between them.</p><p> </p><p>The Neovenatorids, by contrast, are big, fast carnosaurs with unusually long arms and very big claws- ranging from <em>Fukuiraptor</em>- the smallest- to <em>Megaraptor</em> midway in size, to <em>Chilantaisaurus</em>- the largest- estimated size 11.5 metres long and 3.5 tons.</p><p> </p><p><em>Ceratosaurus</em> is actually somewhat atypical of ceratosaurs- most are either slim (<em>Elaphrosaurus</em>, <em>Deltadromeus, Noasaurus</em>) or chunky with miniscule arms (<em>Carnotaurus</em>) So it fits well with the non-gracile carnosaurs.</p><p> </p><p>While there is some debate on how the larger, shorter-armed allosauroids attacked, there was also a lot of work done on them- specifically <em>Acrocanthosaurus.</em></p><p> </p><p>To sum up, it was concluded that they either grabbed their prey with arms, and held it close to their body for easy biting- Or, they bit, held prey with jaws, and raked repeatedly with their arms, since their arms are strong but not very mobile.</p><p> </p><p>Either way- the Standard Carnosaur type should have both a bite attack, and claw attacks. Though possibly, their claws only came into play in a grapple.</p><p> </p><p>Special note- depite being tyrannosauroids, the early ones, especially <em>Dryptosaurus</em>, had quite long arms and big claws- might fit better into "generic carnosaur" or even "clawed carnosaur" than either type of tyrannosaur.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hamishspence, post: 4983105, member: 41555"] [b]now this is a pretty fair summary of major groups needed[/b] Technically, Megaraptor wasn't dropped to Large (and Deinonychus to Medium) until the 3.5 errata to the Monster Manual- the print copy of 3.5 rulebook leaves them as Huge and Large. Actually- that's the kind I would have done with Short Reach- with its body held nearly upright- its head can't reach very far forward. Whereas with body held horizontally- the jaws are a [I]long[/I] way forward of the feet. Concerning largest members of each general group: I might place [I]Deltadromeus[/I] as the point where Gracile Carnosaur tops out- its long and lean- 44 ft long but only 3.5 tons in weight- (these are just estimates though- based on fragmentary material- the holotype is smaller.) [I]Gojirasaurus[/I] and [I]Dilophosaurus[/I] work well for smaller ones- they are of similar size and build. Clawed carnosaurs should probably be split into Spinosaur-type and Neovenator type- with the recent work on the Neovenatorid clade- that includes [I]Megaraptor[/I]. [I]Irritator[/I] works as the smaller spinosaur, [I]Spinosaurus[/I] itself as the biggest- with [I]Suchiomimus[/I] and [I]Baryonyx[/I] mid-way between them. The Neovenatorids, by contrast, are big, fast carnosaurs with unusually long arms and very big claws- ranging from [I]Fukuiraptor[/I]- the smallest- to [I]Megaraptor[/I] midway in size, to [I]Chilantaisaurus[/I]- the largest- estimated size 11.5 metres long and 3.5 tons. [I]Ceratosaurus[/I] is actually somewhat atypical of ceratosaurs- most are either slim ([I]Elaphrosaurus[/I], [I]Deltadromeus, Noasaurus[/I]) or chunky with miniscule arms ([I]Carnotaurus[/I]) So it fits well with the non-gracile carnosaurs. While there is some debate on how the larger, shorter-armed allosauroids attacked, there was also a lot of work done on them- specifically [I]Acrocanthosaurus.[/I] To sum up, it was concluded that they either grabbed their prey with arms, and held it close to their body for easy biting- Or, they bit, held prey with jaws, and raked repeatedly with their arms, since their arms are strong but not very mobile. Either way- the Standard Carnosaur type should have both a bite attack, and claw attacks. Though possibly, their claws only came into play in a grapple. Special note- depite being tyrannosauroids, the early ones, especially [I]Dryptosaurus[/I], had quite long arms and big claws- might fit better into "generic carnosaur" or even "clawed carnosaur" than either type of tyrannosaur. [/QUOTE]
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