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Message: <blockquote data-quote="xidoraven" data-source="post: 4989319" data-attributes="member: 60187">In Draconomicon, it covers only shortly the idea of 'Colossal+' which I have only ever seen in that book.  I will have to post what I know about it later when my things aren't being packed and moved around (*sniffles* I hate not being able to look at my books).Some of the armored sauropoda are in my list for creatures I need specifically for my campaign setting.  Cleon, you did at one time ask me if there was a list I did not post here...  <a href="http://elftown.com/stuff/NymianEcology_IIf.pdf" target="_blank">Here for dinos</a> and <a href="http://elftown.com/stuff/NymianEcology_I.pdf" target="_blank">here for prims</a>.  Both of those and more content is featured on the <a href="http://elftown.com/_nym" target="_blank">Elftown wikipage for Nym (setting)</a>.I agree with that choice - if they are not big enough to make a difference in attack, and don't add to AC it's not worth adding - but natural AC is a good idea.I was also thinking about reach and our long-necked friends...  And even though MMI outlines certain guidelines for creating a standard creature of a standard shape and size, these critters (esp. dinos) are in many ways completely unique to D&D stats for other creatures like ogres and tarrasques - for the simple fact that they have very unique and extended physiology that I think begs for changed stats with certain attacks (such as bite or tailwhip attacks for sauropoda, for example - because of incredibly long necks and tails exceeding typical stats for a creature of that build.  In other words, I think some things could be tweaked because of specific physiology which warrants it.I dunno - in any case, you both are blowing me out the water here.  I feel impotent.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Minmi makes me smile to think about it....  I would adore having a little ankylosaur of that size of smaller.  I bet they would be like a cow.....  but I want one to play fetch with....   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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