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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5015062" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>A 24 HD Gargantuan orca or carchalot whale's stats should be an easy and fairly accurate representation of those, I'd have thought.</p><p></p><p>Anyhow, I've finished statting up an "Orca Redux" using my proposed size/HD scheme, with a few other tweaks, but I think I'll start a new thread "Building a Better Whale" thread to discuss them, rather than go (further) off-topic here.</p><p></p><p>I'm starting on the "Cachalot Redux" and they needed a lot more work than the orcas. For a start, they are supposed to eat Giant Squid and the SRD Giant Squid would make mincemeat of the SRD Sperm Whale - I crunched the numbers and a full-attacking SRD Giant Squid would do an average of 134.45 hit points of damage <em>per round</em> to the SRD Cachalot Whale, while the whale would only average 34.9 hp/round - at that rate, the Squid needs a mean of 1.12 rounds to kill the whale, and the whale needs 2.06 rounds to kill the Squid!</p><p></p><p>Mostly this is due to the Giant Squid being unrealistically big & deadly - I statted up a more "realistic" <em>Architeuthis</em> and it comes out as a 6HD Large Animal, a far easier opponent for a sperm whale to tackle.</p><p> </p><p>Once I've finished my 24 HD take on a Cachalot Whale I'll have a cetacean that has a decent chance of tackling the monster that is the SRD Giant Squid, but that'll be another day.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>I've more-or-less settled on "Super-Colossal" or "Colossal+" with a 40-ft Space and "Epic" with a 50-ft base and I think I'll stick to that for the time being, I think it would make things too confusing if we have both 40 and 50 feet for the same size category.</p><p></p><p>As for baleen whales, I'm currently thinking a single tail-slap/slam for both standard and full-attack. I was going to divide them into slender "Rorqual whale" and thick-bodied "Right Whale" body types, but the only stat difference I was thinking of was giving the rorquals a higher swimming speed.</p><p></p><p>While a 60-ton right whale is around 50 feet long and a 60 ton rorqual whale around 70 feet, I don't feel the greater body length necessarily translates into greater combat reach, especially as the 3E precedent leans towards giving most Animals a short reach. Besides, the right whale is supposedly much more agile (if far slower) than a fin whale, so may be able to move its body around into an attacking/defending position faster and hence compensate for the shorter length it can flex.</p><p></p><p>For that matter, I don't even know that the flexing portion of its tail <strong><em>is</em></strong> a shorter length. For all I know, both species may have the greatest flexibility in the same length of tail, and rorquals just have a longer rigid midsection. (From what I remember of fast-swimming fish, such as tuna, the head and most of the body is fairly stiff, and most of the flexing is near the tail-fin. For all I know, rorquals may be similar.)</p><p> </p><p>Maybe a bit of "research" will cast some light on the dilemma.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 5015062, member: 57383"] A 24 HD Gargantuan orca or carchalot whale's stats should be an easy and fairly accurate representation of those, I'd have thought. Anyhow, I've finished statting up an "Orca Redux" using my proposed size/HD scheme, with a few other tweaks, but I think I'll start a new thread "Building a Better Whale" thread to discuss them, rather than go (further) off-topic here. I'm starting on the "Cachalot Redux" and they needed a lot more work than the orcas. For a start, they are supposed to eat Giant Squid and the SRD Giant Squid would make mincemeat of the SRD Sperm Whale - I crunched the numbers and a full-attacking SRD Giant Squid would do an average of 134.45 hit points of damage [I]per round[/I] to the SRD Cachalot Whale, while the whale would only average 34.9 hp/round - at that rate, the Squid needs a mean of 1.12 rounds to kill the whale, and the whale needs 2.06 rounds to kill the Squid! Mostly this is due to the Giant Squid being unrealistically big & deadly - I statted up a more "realistic" [I]Architeuthis[/I] and it comes out as a 6HD Large Animal, a far easier opponent for a sperm whale to tackle. Once I've finished my 24 HD take on a Cachalot Whale I'll have a cetacean that has a decent chance of tackling the monster that is the SRD Giant Squid, but that'll be another day.:) I've more-or-less settled on "Super-Colossal" or "Colossal+" with a 40-ft Space and "Epic" with a 50-ft base and I think I'll stick to that for the time being, I think it would make things too confusing if we have both 40 and 50 feet for the same size category. As for baleen whales, I'm currently thinking a single tail-slap/slam for both standard and full-attack. I was going to divide them into slender "Rorqual whale" and thick-bodied "Right Whale" body types, but the only stat difference I was thinking of was giving the rorquals a higher swimming speed. While a 60-ton right whale is around 50 feet long and a 60 ton rorqual whale around 70 feet, I don't feel the greater body length necessarily translates into greater combat reach, especially as the 3E precedent leans towards giving most Animals a short reach. Besides, the right whale is supposedly much more agile (if far slower) than a fin whale, so may be able to move its body around into an attacking/defending position faster and hence compensate for the shorter length it can flex. For that matter, I don't even know that the flexing portion of its tail [B][I]is[/I][/B] a shorter length. For all I know, both species may have the greatest flexibility in the same length of tail, and rorquals just have a longer rigid midsection. (From what I remember of fast-swimming fish, such as tuna, the head and most of the body is fairly stiff, and most of the flexing is near the tail-fin. For all I know, rorquals may be similar.) Maybe a bit of "research" will cast some light on the dilemma. [/QUOTE]
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