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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5026396" data-attributes="member: 57383">I think it's OK, since its Pounce is basically the same as a big cat's, which allows for a full attack without a grapple check penalty.I make it 1d6+2d3+1d8, where's the 2d6 from? Regular weapons only get an attack bonus on a charge, not double damage.It is a lot of damage, but I wanted to keep it in line with the SRD big cats - a 3HD leopard does 1d6+3+4d3+4 (average 18.5), is about midway between  my 3HD Dromaeosaurus's 1d6+1+2d3+1d8+1 (av. 14) and 4HD Deinonychus's 1d8+2+2d4+2+2d6+3 (av. 23.5), a tiger's 2d8+12+2d6+3+2d8+6 pounce (av. 46!) is more or less exactly the same as my Utahraptor's 2d6+6+2d6+6+3d6+9 (45.5), and considerably more than the 6HD Achillobator's 2d4+4+2d4+4+2d8+6 pounce (av. 33).So I think the damage is in keeping with the sample creatures I'm using as a baseline, it's not my fault the sample creatures are too vicious!<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />Anyhow, as I said earlier I think an easy solution is just to say a more realistic version of a Maniraptor uses the stats of the next stage down (Dromaeosaurus for Deinonychus, Achillobator for Utahraptor, et cetera), and the provided stats take after the prehistoric monsters of cinema, pulp-fiction and comic books as much as they do nature.That's a good point, I suspect everyone thinks it just follows normal grapple size limits. I'd better amend it.</blockquote>

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