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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 5094327" data-attributes="member: 20805">I agree with Saeviomagy that reducing player options can cause more 'grind' in combat. I have some thoughts in my head but would like more detail... as your experience differs than mine. I have been running a large group {7 to 9 players} for a while and most combats take just shy of two hours, but tend to be challenging. My method is to use the DMG encouter templates with equivilent level monsters. I don't use XP costs to build the encounter. As an example, I look at the DMG and select a 'Hard' skirmisher encounter which states 7 skirmishers. The group is 15th level, so I mod the desired critter to be 15th level using DDI and use 7 of them.  The majority of combats I have run get almost everyone bloodied and maybe takes one PC down to 0.. but I have yet to burn everyone out of encounters/dailies. I do have issues with table control, as far as players paying attention to thier turn/etc.. but that is a table issue not a mechanics issue.So... what are you looking for when you say 'challenging' and what things in your groups mechanics do you think go counter to that?</blockquote>