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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MwaO" data-source="post: 7444867" data-attributes="member: 12749">Right. But your group stayed in 4e — and your Fighter picked a more tactical feat chain choice for 3.5 than most.I'm stating more of the extreme version, but it wasn't particularly complicated — some players don't like to do anything in combat other than roll to-hit+damage and 4e forced all of those players to do something other than just that. And some players want the option to short-circuit either combats or adventures, but not necessarily use them. And 4e forced those players to not have it as an option generally.Have either of those players willing to blackball 4e or don't have a player in love with 4e at that table…not too hard to end up using PF...</blockquote>