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<blockquote data-quote="auburn2" data-source="post: 8187143" data-attributes="member: 6855259">If Characters are going to pick their scores they are naturally going to pick which score to make their lowest (say intelligence for the Barbarian or strength for the Rogue).&nbsp; There is no way to eliminate this without taking away abilities all together.&nbsp; No matter wheat you do some abilities will be worth dumping.&nbsp; A high strength or expertise in athletics is required for any character to be effective at grappling or shoving. A high wisdom is required to be able to be able to stay in coontrol of your character against wisdom saves.&nbsp; More hp helps everyone.&nbsp; The reason these are dumped by certain classes is because they are less important, not becuse they are unimportant and players will always consider those tradeoffs if they are choosing what scores to make high and low.Rolling and arranging them is no better than point buy in this regard, just brings an element of chance to it.&nbsp; The only way to really do this right is to lock scores in place.A str based rogue is very viable if you roll a high strength on your rogue and can't reduce it by putting another roll in its place or reducing the score in another ability and the strength-based rogue has the same attack and damage bonus as the dex-based rogue with the same score.Most DMs don't allow below an 8 in any score, but if you do have an 8 build your character around it.&nbsp; Barbarian with an 18 strength and 8 constitution - use finnesse weapons, take some levels in Rogue and get SA dice while also getting advantage every time you are in reckless rage .... or if you have a high wisdom take a few monk levels, or if you have high intelligence take 2 levels in wizard to get bladesong a couple shields to use when not raging.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="auburn2, post: 8187143, member: 6855259"] If Characters are going to pick their scores they are naturally going to pick which score to make their lowest (say intelligence for the Barbarian or strength for the Rogue). There is no way to eliminate this without taking away abilities all together. No matter wheat you do some abilities will be worth dumping. A high strength or expertise in athletics is required for any character to be effective at grappling or shoving. A high wisdom is required to be able to be able to stay in coontrol of your character against wisdom saves. More hp helps everyone. The reason these are dumped by certain classes is because they are less important, not becuse they are unimportant and players will always consider those tradeoffs if they are choosing what scores to make high and low. Rolling and arranging them is no better than point buy in this regard, just brings an element of chance to it. The only way to really do this right is to lock scores in place. A str based rogue is very viable if you roll a high strength on your rogue and can't reduce it by putting another roll in its place or reducing the score in another ability and the strength-based rogue has the same attack and damage bonus as the dex-based rogue with the same score. Most DMs don't allow below an 8 in any score, but if you do have an 8 build your character around it. Barbarian with an 18 strength and 8 constitution - use finnesse weapons, take some levels in Rogue and get SA dice while also getting advantage every time you are in reckless rage .... or if you have a high wisdom take a few monk levels, or if you have high intelligence take 2 levels in wizard to get bladesong a couple shields to use when not raging. [/QUOTE]

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