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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 8213611" data-attributes="member: 6716779">From 5E the layout is bad and index is useless. Bought the PDF and wife was enthusiastic but that died when she has to reference all sorts of things trying to put her bard togather. We both just gave up. The books just to big to much as well. &nbsp;From 3E its just got a huge amount of feats, probably more than the initial 3.0 book. A lot are just more if the +1 here and there but then there's just more categories to learn. &nbsp;From 4E it kind of has that layout, classes look samey and reads like an instruction manual. It's boring and awful to read. &nbsp;Then there's things unique to it like the races. It's just more steps and complications for the sake of complications. Arts bad as well such as the cover. &nbsp; It kinda played alright but for the amount of work required not worth it and houserulng early PF1 works. &nbsp;No one's running it either so if we wanted to play it I have to GM it and probably buy everything then try and convince my players to give it a shot. &nbsp;&nbsp;Both of us could probably figure it out but I don't see my current group handling it well or no group I've had since 2005 or so.&nbsp;I would be willing to play it but not run it. Wife really wants to play the bard but need to buy the book I suppose vs pdf.&nbsp;Doesn't really matter how well it runs if you can't get people to play or run it. For reasons entirely self inflicted.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 8213611, member: 6716779"] From 5E the layout is bad and index is useless. Bought the PDF and wife was enthusiastic but that died when she has to reference all sorts of things trying to put her bard togather. We both just gave up. The books just to big to much as well. From 3E its just got a huge amount of feats, probably more than the initial 3.0 book. A lot are just more if the +1 here and there but then there's just more categories to learn. From 4E it kind of has that layout, classes look samey and reads like an instruction manual. It's boring and awful to read. Then there's things unique to it like the races. It's just more steps and complications for the sake of complications. Arts bad as well such as the cover. It kinda played alright but for the amount of work required not worth it and houserulng early PF1 works. No one's running it either so if we wanted to play it I have to GM it and probably buy everything then try and convince my players to give it a shot. Both of us could probably figure it out but I don't see my current group handling it well or no group I've had since 2005 or so. I would be willing to play it but not run it. Wife really wants to play the bard but need to buy the book I suppose vs pdf. Doesn't really matter how well it runs if you can't get people to play or run it. For reasons entirely self inflicted. [/QUOTE]

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