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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7487506" data-attributes="member: 4937">I don't see what those other factors would be.&nbsp; The reason I asked &quot;Show me.&quot; is that it is very easy to speak abstractly about these things, but once you try to reify them into a set of rules that people are supposed to use, you realize that it's not as easy as all of that.&nbsp; For example, doing the work for you, I could keep the white dragon as is 1d6 per age category, and then work across the bottom so that a black great wyrm was 11d6, the green 12d6, the blue 13d6, and the red 14d6.&nbsp; But after doing that, I would then have to work backwards to fill in the rest of the table.&nbsp;&nbsp; At that point, the black of every size category but great wyrm would do the same as the white, and the green would only differ from the white at 5 and 10, and the blue at say 3, 6, and 10.&nbsp;&nbsp; All the dragons of size category 1 would have breath weapons that did the same damage.&nbsp;&nbsp; Would this new table satisfy you?&nbsp; And would this new methodology be worth creating another table to show how large the breath weapon of a particular dragon of a particular size was?&nbsp; Or in other words, we just got a lot less elegant.&nbsp; Now of course, there are other approaches.&nbsp; I can think of at least five other mechanical approaches right off the top of my head.&nbsp;&nbsp; But they each have their problems as well which would become clear if you started to lay them out, and it's not clear to me that the problem they'd be trying to solve is really once that needs to be solved or even really is a problem.&nbsp; Black dragons have larger breath weapons than greens to compensate them for only have a 'line' type breath weapon compared to the more deadly 'cloud' or 'cone' sort and to ensure that they have certain advantages that make them respected and feared as deadly creatures in their own right and not simply an inferior sort of dragon.&nbsp; I don't see why they need to be nerfed or why greens, blues and reds need a buff, nor do I see that by making black dragons have a particularly potent breath weapon I'm in any way harming the setting logically or doing harm to a mythic symbol or a fantasy narrative.&nbsp; Though, by being the only chromatic dragon with a 1d8 breath weapon that is not in a line form, I still have paid some service - sufficient I think - to the idea of reds having the most fearsome sort of breath weapon.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7487506, member: 4937"] I don't see what those other factors would be. The reason I asked "Show me." is that it is very easy to speak abstractly about these things, but once you try to reify them into a set of rules that people are supposed to use, you realize that it's not as easy as all of that. For example, doing the work for you, I could keep the white dragon as is 1d6 per age category, and then work across the bottom so that a black great wyrm was 11d6, the green 12d6, the blue 13d6, and the red 14d6. But after doing that, I would then have to work backwards to fill in the rest of the table. At that point, the black of every size category but great wyrm would do the same as the white, and the green would only differ from the white at 5 and 10, and the blue at say 3, 6, and 10. All the dragons of size category 1 would have breath weapons that did the same damage. Would this new table satisfy you? And would this new methodology be worth creating another table to show how large the breath weapon of a particular dragon of a particular size was? Or in other words, we just got a lot less elegant. Now of course, there are other approaches. I can think of at least five other mechanical approaches right off the top of my head. But they each have their problems as well which would become clear if you started to lay them out, and it's not clear to me that the problem they'd be trying to solve is really once that needs to be solved or even really is a problem. Black dragons have larger breath weapons than greens to compensate them for only have a 'line' type breath weapon compared to the more deadly 'cloud' or 'cone' sort and to ensure that they have certain advantages that make them respected and feared as deadly creatures in their own right and not simply an inferior sort of dragon. I don't see why they need to be nerfed or why greens, blues and reds need a buff, nor do I see that by making black dragons have a particularly potent breath weapon I'm in any way harming the setting logically or doing harm to a mythic symbol or a fantasy narrative. Though, by being the only chromatic dragon with a 1d8 breath weapon that is not in a line form, I still have paid some service - sufficient I think - to the idea of reds having the most fearsome sort of breath weapon. [/QUOTE]

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