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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9886042" data-attributes="member: 6877472"><p>I think this looks pretty good, if I were to play an AD&D game again, this might make me consider a Wizard, and that's pretty good considering how miserable an experience playing AD&D Wizards was for me in the past.</p><p></p><p>I assume that having done this, Illusionist is next for revision? If so, I'd like to ask a question I've had for a long time now- is there really justification for Illusionist as a separate class?</p><p></p><p>Considering the long-standing issues many people have had with "adjudicating illusions" and the power of disbelief, plus the fact that even UA seemed to think Illusionists were second-class Wizards (with the super-amazing ability to memorize low level M-U spells instead of their higher level Illusionist spells), I always had the impression that they should have a drastically reduced xp table (instead of just being a level ahead of the M-U by level 12).</p><p></p><p>I can understand not wanting to just dump all the bespoke Illusionist spells onto the M-U list, but it's not like M-U's don't already have access to Illusion magic...</p><p></p><p>Now, I will say, that I know my experience with the Illusionist isn't universal- there are people who love the versatility and freedom of expression illusions can give you, and have had good Dungeon Masters willing to work with Illusionist PC's to make the class experience an enjoyable one- and some people do like the challenge of being a magical con artist, tricking and bluffing others, using their wits and creativity to succeed.</p><p></p><p>That's the class fantasy I wanted when I attempted to play one. It's not what I ever got, and I've had a skeptical view of Illusion magic ever since.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 9886042, member: 6877472"] I think this looks pretty good, if I were to play an AD&D game again, this might make me consider a Wizard, and that's pretty good considering how miserable an experience playing AD&D Wizards was for me in the past. I assume that having done this, Illusionist is next for revision? If so, I'd like to ask a question I've had for a long time now- is there really justification for Illusionist as a separate class? Considering the long-standing issues many people have had with "adjudicating illusions" and the power of disbelief, plus the fact that even UA seemed to think Illusionists were second-class Wizards (with the super-amazing ability to memorize low level M-U spells instead of their higher level Illusionist spells), I always had the impression that they should have a drastically reduced xp table (instead of just being a level ahead of the M-U by level 12). I can understand not wanting to just dump all the bespoke Illusionist spells onto the M-U list, but it's not like M-U's don't already have access to Illusion magic... Now, I will say, that I know my experience with the Illusionist isn't universal- there are people who love the versatility and freedom of expression illusions can give you, and have had good Dungeon Masters willing to work with Illusionist PC's to make the class experience an enjoyable one- and some people do like the challenge of being a magical con artist, tricking and bluffing others, using their wits and creativity to succeed. That's the class fantasy I wanted when I attempted to play one. It's not what I ever got, and I've had a skeptical view of Illusion magic ever since. [/QUOTE]
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