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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 9886210" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Fundamentally though, this isn't true. If you look at the 1st level Cleric list, spells like Command, Cure Light Wounds, Detect Evil, Detect Magic, Light, Protection from Evil, and Resist Cold are just as consequential and useful as pretty much the whole 1st level M-U list. Yes, Tenser's Floating Disk is great if you can find it, and Unseen Servant is amazing, and Detect Magic is marginally more powerful on the M-U list, but really the only spells your theory might hold true on are Charm Person and Sleep. If the above Cleric spells were on the M-U list they'd be more useful than most of the list.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's really hard to replicate that in 1e because NWPs are doing double duty as both feats (like Blindfighting) and skills. So it's hard to really replicate it. The awkwardness with skills is a big reason why I left AD&D for other systems and only came back with 3e D&D. Plus, unlike 3e you aren't dealing with point buy ability scores so you can't balance things on the idea that being good in this area involves a sacrifice in another. You are just risking more double stacking and rewarding the already well rewarded. I'm OK with the mechanic I used here only because I really don't feel the class is playable with less than 16 INT (some rare cases aside) and because I limited the list of allowable NWPs to relatively low impact craft NWPs (in 3e terms Craft skills). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It isn't really useful at 1st level though, because you have neither the formula nor the money for such expensive work.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 9886210, member: 4937"] Fundamentally though, this isn't true. If you look at the 1st level Cleric list, spells like Command, Cure Light Wounds, Detect Evil, Detect Magic, Light, Protection from Evil, and Resist Cold are just as consequential and useful as pretty much the whole 1st level M-U list. Yes, Tenser's Floating Disk is great if you can find it, and Unseen Servant is amazing, and Detect Magic is marginally more powerful on the M-U list, but really the only spells your theory might hold true on are Charm Person and Sleep. If the above Cleric spells were on the M-U list they'd be more useful than most of the list. It's really hard to replicate that in 1e because NWPs are doing double duty as both feats (like Blindfighting) and skills. So it's hard to really replicate it. The awkwardness with skills is a big reason why I left AD&D for other systems and only came back with 3e D&D. Plus, unlike 3e you aren't dealing with point buy ability scores so you can't balance things on the idea that being good in this area involves a sacrifice in another. You are just risking more double stacking and rewarding the already well rewarded. I'm OK with the mechanic I used here only because I really don't feel the class is playable with less than 16 INT (some rare cases aside) and because I limited the list of allowable NWPs to relatively low impact craft NWPs (in 3e terms Craft skills). It isn't really useful at 1st level though, because you have neither the formula nor the money for such expensive work. [/QUOTE]
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