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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7614391" data-attributes="member: 5142">Except they did do magic in Eberron, which is where the hegemonic Artificer concept in D&D derives. Artificers in Eberron, however, had a different approach to their magic than other spellcasters. They were more about broader patterns of magic in the abstract rather than "arcane" or "divine" divides. Eberron did establish that they did not cast spells, as their "spells" were called "infusions," but that is different from saying that saying that they can't do magic themselves. I suspect that while having different subsystems was acceptable for 3.XE that 5E would prefer just categorizing all essentially spell-like things as spells to simplify things. But Artificers were definitely magical. Furthermore, keep in mind that many people want an Artificer for running Eberron, which means that the Artificer cannot just be a more generic sense of Artificer, but one that is mostly congruent with how they operate in Eberron. If that does not satisfy what you want out of an Artificer, then this Artificer will not be for you. The reason why this iteration of the 5E Artificer looks like this and not more like the prior two iterations is because the D&D community gave feedback that they wanted a 5E Artificer more like the Eberron one rather than the generic crafter one. But the non-magical tech guy has never been part of D&D's artificers. And <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> anyone who wants to play a non-raging barbarian in D&D. And <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> anyone who wants to play a non-magical bard in D&D. And <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> anyone who wants to play a spell-less ranger or paladin in D&D. D&D has become its own fantasy with its own traditional archetypes that may or may not conform with your expectations, desires, or whims for what the archetype should be.</blockquote>

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