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<blockquote data-quote="two" data-source="post: 1733764" data-attributes="member: 9002">To some extent, class abilities do equate to flavor.&nbsp; They often lend great flavor.&quot;Hide in Plain Sight&quot; makes sense and helps define Shadowdancers.&quot;Defensive Stance&quot; is perfect for the immobile Dwarven tank paradigm.&quot;Harm's Way&quot; makes a Devoted Defender something besides simply a fighter who looks after a ward.Etc.Fighters are bland.&nbsp; They have no &quot;out of the box&quot; flavor.&nbsp; They can be given flavor through feat choice and fighting style, however, more than any other class because of all the bonus feats.How does this Bard class differ from an Eldritch Knight build, for example?(compare at level 20, for example).Very similar, except your bard has bardic knowlege.&nbsp; The EK a familiar, and better weapons. (and more feats, probably).&nbsp; Bard more skills.More Bardic class abilities would better distinguish this bard from ye olde typical half-mage half-fighter.Not unbalanced, however, as I said before, power-wise. Answer me this:&nbsp; why are you calling this a Bard, instead of a &quot;fighting mage?&quot; class?&nbsp; If the only difference is bardic knowledge...then that class feature is supplying flavor, and I would like more flavor.Class features don't have to be powerful to be flavorful.&nbsp; Could give +2 to all diplomacy checks, at bard level 10 or something, or identify weapon ability, due to knowledge of history, etc. etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="two, post: 1733764, member: 9002"] To some extent, class abilities do equate to flavor. They often lend great flavor. "Hide in Plain Sight" makes sense and helps define Shadowdancers. "Defensive Stance" is perfect for the immobile Dwarven tank paradigm. "Harm's Way" makes a Devoted Defender something besides simply a fighter who looks after a ward. Etc. Fighters are bland. They have no "out of the box" flavor. They can be given flavor through feat choice and fighting style, however, more than any other class because of all the bonus feats. How does this Bard class differ from an Eldritch Knight build, for example? (compare at level 20, for example). Very similar, except your bard has bardic knowlege. The EK a familiar, and better weapons. (and more feats, probably). Bard more skills. More Bardic class abilities would better distinguish this bard from ye olde typical half-mage half-fighter. Not unbalanced, however, as I said before, power-wise. Answer me this: why are you calling this a Bard, instead of a "fighting mage?" class? If the only difference is bardic knowledge...then that class feature is supplying flavor, and I would like more flavor. Class features don't have to be powerful to be flavorful. Could give +2 to all diplomacy checks, at bard level 10 or something, or identify weapon ability, due to knowledge of history, etc. etc. [/QUOTE]

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