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<blockquote data-quote="kreynolds" data-source="post: 1111502" data-attributes="member: 2829"><p>Not exactly. As I have conceived them, Innate Spellcasting Enhancements don't apply to spell-like abilities. They only apply to actual spells. For spell-like abilities, I agree with you, but that's an entirely different case. It's easy to just adjust the modifiers of...</p><p></p><p>3/day - fireball, magic missile, polar ray</p><p></p><p>...as though all of them were empowered, but that's different. What I'm talking about is a PC or NPC that can cast spells as a class ability, or a creature that has innate spellcasting (such as those that cast cleric spells as a <blah>th-level caster). For example, say you have a 10th-level Wizard with either of the following innate spellcasting enhancements...</p><p></p><p><strong>Spell Maximization (Ex)</strong></p><p>Up to three times per day, a creature with this ability can cast any spells it knows as though they were under the effects of the Maximize Spell metamagic feat, though there is no increase in level. Using this ability is a free action at the time of casting.</p><p>Level Adjustment: +0 (+0.25).</p><p></p><p><strong>Spell Maximization, Greater (Ex)</strong></p><p>A creature with this ability can cast any spells it knows as though they were under the effects of the Maximize Spell metamagic feat, though there is no increase in level. Using this ability is a free action at the time of casting.</p><p>Level Adjustment: +3 (+3.4).</p><p></p><p>Do you see what I mean? The above 10th-level wizard would be able to apply the effects of Maximize Spell to any applicable spell he has prepared of 2nd-level or lower (due to the limitations/design parameter of the ability), with no effective increase in level.</p><p></p><p>Something like this can't be rated as you suggest because we're not talking about a static array of spell-like abilities or spells. We're talking about an array of spells that can change on a day to day basis, an array that may or may not contain the same number of spells applicable to Maximize Spell on a day to day basis.</p><p></p><p>Make sense?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kreynolds, post: 1111502, member: 2829"] Not exactly. As I have conceived them, Innate Spellcasting Enhancements don't apply to spell-like abilities. They only apply to actual spells. For spell-like abilities, I agree with you, but that's an entirely different case. It's easy to just adjust the modifiers of... 3/day - fireball, magic missile, polar ray ...as though all of them were empowered, but that's different. What I'm talking about is a PC or NPC that can cast spells as a class ability, or a creature that has innate spellcasting (such as those that cast cleric spells as a <blah>th-level caster). For example, say you have a 10th-level Wizard with either of the following innate spellcasting enhancements... [b]Spell Maximization (Ex)[/b] Up to three times per day, a creature with this ability can cast any spells it knows as though they were under the effects of the Maximize Spell metamagic feat, though there is no increase in level. Using this ability is a free action at the time of casting. Level Adjustment: +0 (+0.25). [b]Spell Maximization, Greater (Ex)[/b] A creature with this ability can cast any spells it knows as though they were under the effects of the Maximize Spell metamagic feat, though there is no increase in level. Using this ability is a free action at the time of casting. Level Adjustment: +3 (+3.4). Do you see what I mean? The above 10th-level wizard would be able to apply the effects of Maximize Spell to any applicable spell he has prepared of 2nd-level or lower (due to the limitations/design parameter of the ability), with no effective increase in level. Something like this can't be rated as you suggest because we're not talking about a static array of spell-like abilities or spells. We're talking about an array of spells that can change on a day to day basis, an array that may or may not contain the same number of spells applicable to Maximize Spell on a day to day basis. Make sense? [/QUOTE]
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