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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 1156442" data-attributes="member: 326">Hi CRGreathouse mate! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />The answer to that depends on how the ability scores were gained. Provided all the Ability Score increases are fairly handled I don't see a problem. If you permit the horror story of epic spells (one example I saw had a 50th-level PC and each of his cohorts with +100 to every ability score!!!), then you are going to have to revise the rating.If you are asking could the ability be abused, I think the answer is yes. I remember reading one epic campaign where one of the PCs (legitamately) had Charisma 54 by 24th-level.However, remember the CR/EL relationship. The higher you ascend the less impact CR has on EL.So really, as long as the ability score gains are fairly handled you might well be able to gain something of a CR benefit but nothing that will really affect EL to any great degree.A flat bonus for a special ability/quality that can be increased should only be used as a last resort.If you were wanting to add Deflection as a feature of a Template then you would pretty much be resigned to creating a flat bonus. For (non-epic) monsters I think that +0.5 would be a fair average, double that for epic monsters or deities.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 1156442, member: 326"] Hi CRGreathouse mate! :) The answer to that depends on how the ability scores were gained. Provided all the Ability Score increases are fairly handled I don't see a problem. If you permit the horror story of epic spells (one example I saw had a 50th-level PC and each of his cohorts with +100 to every ability score!!!), then you are going to have to revise the rating. If you are asking could the ability be abused, I think the answer is yes. I remember reading one epic campaign where one of the PCs (legitamately) had Charisma 54 by 24th-level. However, remember the CR/EL relationship. The higher you ascend the less impact CR has on EL. So really, as long as the ability score gains are fairly handled you might well be able to gain something of a CR benefit but nothing that will really affect EL to any great degree. A flat bonus for a special ability/quality that can be increased should only be used as a last resort. If you were wanting to add Deflection as a feature of a Template then you would pretty much be resigned to creating a flat bonus. For (non-epic) monsters I think that +0.5 would be a fair average, double that for epic monsters or deities. [/QUOTE]

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