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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Technik4" data-source="post: 1052512" data-attributes="member: 7211">I'm speaking in favor of the Eldritch Knight as written in 3.5. You dont get special abilities, you get 1 bonus feat, and you dont get 2 good saves, you get 1. The HD is only slightly better than wizards (d6). Basically ALL you are getting is good BAB and nearly continuous spellcasting. That IS a hard choice.Sure you may have a higher spell level and a slightly better BAB than a spellsword, but a spellsword can wear medium armor and suffer 0 penalties or full plate and suffer 5%! The spellsword also has a better save bonus with will The requirements are also less steep, further encouraging multiclassing.Compare it to a bladesinger, same BAB, again the bladesinger has 2 good saves and Tumble on their skill list. The bladesinger has far better defenses however, gaining their Int to AC as a dodge bonus and eventually getting 0% arcane spell failure in light armor. The bladesinger eventually also gets a private haste, and a way to cast a spell as a free action. In fact, you don't even need any fighter levels to become a bladesinger, a 10th level half-elven or elven wizard qualifies if he picks his skills and feats correctly. With 5th level wizard arcane spells and 4th level bladesinger spells the character would be pretty far behind the curve, but since the class only requires 1st level arcane spells you could get in with a level of sorceror (and choose spells that remain consistent despite ability score or caster level, like True Strike). Fill up your other 5 levels with whatever mix of good BAB classes you want, you're ready to rock as a bladesinger.Don't get me wrong, I think the Eldritch Knight is very powerful, played correctly. The spellsword and the bladesinger are designed to be good fighters, thats why they gain nifty special abilities to help them survive in melee. The EK doesn't, it gets nearly full progression and 1 bonus feat. The class is only powerful if you stay out of melee (it also has worse saves and hp than the above classes, and requires more arcane spellcasting, which is more levels rolling d4). The EK is better at being a wizard than the spellsword and bladesinger, but all the wizard gets is a good bab, so whats the fear? I have yet to see a broken EK. And if you compare the spellsword or even the bladesinger to a straight ftr/wiz, youll see that the "choice" of multiclassing as an arcanist is weaker, hence these classes strength.Ftr10/Wiz10Pal10/Sor10Ftr5/Wiz5/Spl10Pal9/Wiz1/Bld10Along the way and especially at the end the second 2 are far more powerful than the first 2. So is spellcaster (specifically arcane) multiclassing broken or are the bladesinger and the spellsword too powerful?Technik</blockquote>

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