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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 1052553" data-attributes="member: 5890"><p>Multiclassing is about making choices.</p><p></p><p>Without PrC's like the EK, MyT and AT, multiclassing a (non-cleric) spellcaster more than a level or two (either into or out of) was a bad choice. It always left you mechanically weak.</p><p></p><p>As to the proposed class?</p><p></p><p>2 more lost caster levels = 1 level lower spells.</p><p></p><p>Still=1 slot higher</p><p></p><p>So - a traditional EK can simply still all of their spells and not suffer armour penalties. In addition, they'll be able to use some spells without bothering to do that (ie - ones without S components, or ones they don't need to cast while armoured). They'll be able to cast in heavy armour instead of just light. Finally, they'll have some more spells known, and the option to use some higher-levelled spells overall.</p><p></p><p>Greater combat casting is probably going to be a dead loss - since defensive casting is a dc of 15+spell level, and you already have combat casting, meaning you've got +13 to your rolls when you get it, not counting any possible constitution bonus, the chance of failure is quite slim (about 1 in 20).</p><p></p><p>The biggie is probably eldritch celerity. Remember you're missing a level of spells here already. Eldritch celerity costs you a level more. Compared with quicken at +4 however, it's pretty good, even if it is limited to being self targeted spells. This is probably powerful enought to make up for previous losses.</p><p></p><p>However, the class doesn't do what I want such a class to do - give me a viable all-purpose fighter/mage multiclass. Specifically, it seems to be more aimed at a self-buffing, lightly-armoured fighter, which weakens the EK's relatively broad appeal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 1052553, member: 5890"] Multiclassing is about making choices. Without PrC's like the EK, MyT and AT, multiclassing a (non-cleric) spellcaster more than a level or two (either into or out of) was a bad choice. It always left you mechanically weak. As to the proposed class? 2 more lost caster levels = 1 level lower spells. Still=1 slot higher So - a traditional EK can simply still all of their spells and not suffer armour penalties. In addition, they'll be able to use some spells without bothering to do that (ie - ones without S components, or ones they don't need to cast while armoured). They'll be able to cast in heavy armour instead of just light. Finally, they'll have some more spells known, and the option to use some higher-levelled spells overall. Greater combat casting is probably going to be a dead loss - since defensive casting is a dc of 15+spell level, and you already have combat casting, meaning you've got +13 to your rolls when you get it, not counting any possible constitution bonus, the chance of failure is quite slim (about 1 in 20). The biggie is probably eldritch celerity. Remember you're missing a level of spells here already. Eldritch celerity costs you a level more. Compared with quicken at +4 however, it's pretty good, even if it is limited to being self targeted spells. This is probably powerful enought to make up for previous losses. However, the class doesn't do what I want such a class to do - give me a viable all-purpose fighter/mage multiclass. Specifically, it seems to be more aimed at a self-buffing, lightly-armoured fighter, which weakens the EK's relatively broad appeal. [/QUOTE]
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