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<blockquote data-quote="Belzamus" data-source="post: 4966188" data-attributes="member: 61612">Actually, U_K I had an idea. Why not create a chain for INA for just Incorporeal Touch as it doesn't go up with size or VSCs? &nbsp;Say...&nbsp;Improved Touch Attack: HD*2 d8 [Non-Epic]Superior Touch attack: HD*2 d10 [Epic]Perfect Touch Attack: HD*2 d20 [Divine]Uncanny Touch Attack: HD*2 d100 [Cosmic]&nbsp;&nbsp;So, our First One from before (assume 240 HD) would have a Touch Attack dealing 240d100, or 240-24,000 damage. Not even close to what VSCs provide, but still, it is closer, and you could fannagle Unearthly WS and Perfect Critical Multiplier to working with it to get it up to 1,320d100. In the same ballpark as he would get from a natural attack modified by VSCs, but still only one per round. &nbsp;Maybe another ability to add more Touch Attacks per round?&nbsp;Of course, there's always the various Touch attacks from the effect abilites too, which are actually weaker at only 1.5*HD. Oh well, way too late to houserule it to HD*2 now with all those Sidereals built. And an Astro Touch still owns no matter what ratio it uses. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />&nbsp;Oh, and I believe you yourself once said that above level 200 all bets are off. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; No wonder the damage is so crazy. The only balance is that everyone can kill each other in one round most of the time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Belzamus, post: 4966188, member: 61612"] Actually, U_K I had an idea. Why not create a chain for INA for just Incorporeal Touch as it doesn't go up with size or VSCs? Say... Improved Touch Attack: HD*2 d8 [Non-Epic] Superior Touch attack: HD*2 d10 [Epic] Perfect Touch Attack: HD*2 d20 [Divine] Uncanny Touch Attack: HD*2 d100 [Cosmic] So, our First One from before (assume 240 HD) would have a Touch Attack dealing 240d100, or 240-24,000 damage. Not even close to what VSCs provide, but still, it is closer, and you could fannagle Unearthly WS and Perfect Critical Multiplier to working with it to get it up to 1,320d100. In the same ballpark as he would get from a natural attack modified by VSCs, but still only one per round. Maybe another ability to add more Touch Attacks per round? Of course, there's always the various Touch attacks from the effect abilites too, which are actually weaker at only 1.5*HD. Oh well, way too late to houserule it to HD*2 now with all those Sidereals built. And an Astro Touch still owns no matter what ratio it uses. :p Oh, and I believe you yourself once said that above level 200 all bets are off. ;) No wonder the damage is so crazy. The only balance is that everyone can kill each other in one round most of the time. [/QUOTE]

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