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<blockquote data-quote="Hawk Diesel" data-source="post: 7826368" data-attributes="member: 59848"><p>While Fire Shield is an apt comparison to the Mantle of Flame ability, it is also unfair to state it is in the same level of power as that spell. Firstly, when you use the spell you can choose whether it is based around fire or cold. It grants resistance to the chosen energy type (something Mantle of Flame does not grant), and it deals 2d8 damage anytime the caster is struck by melee damage. That's an average of 9 damage with a range of 2-16 damage. </p><p></p><p>Are there similarities? Sure. But just because there are similarities does not mean that Mantle of Flame is equivalent to a 4th level spell.</p><p></p><p>Besides, let's compare official content, shall we?</p><p></p><p>A shadow sorcerer from XGtE gets 120' darkvision at first level. That is a permanent darkvision effect (2nd level spell) but at double the range. That would mean at 1st level, the shadow sorcerer gets a permanent 3-4th level spell, in addition to their Strength of the Grave ability. In fact, in darkness against enemies more than 60' away, it is circumstantially equivalent to greater invisibility, which is a 4th level spell.</p><p></p><p>Spells can be fantastic means for comparing new mechanics of a given level. But when creating mechanics for new classes or ararchetypes in my experience it is more helpful in general to compare to other class or archetype mechanics.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hawk Diesel, post: 7826368, member: 59848"] While Fire Shield is an apt comparison to the Mantle of Flame ability, it is also unfair to state it is in the same level of power as that spell. Firstly, when you use the spell you can choose whether it is based around fire or cold. It grants resistance to the chosen energy type (something Mantle of Flame does not grant), and it deals 2d8 damage anytime the caster is struck by melee damage. That's an average of 9 damage with a range of 2-16 damage. Are there similarities? Sure. But just because there are similarities does not mean that Mantle of Flame is equivalent to a 4th level spell. Besides, let's compare official content, shall we? A shadow sorcerer from XGtE gets 120' darkvision at first level. That is a permanent darkvision effect (2nd level spell) but at double the range. That would mean at 1st level, the shadow sorcerer gets a permanent 3-4th level spell, in addition to their Strength of the Grave ability. In fact, in darkness against enemies more than 60' away, it is circumstantially equivalent to greater invisibility, which is a 4th level spell. Spells can be fantastic means for comparing new mechanics of a given level. But when creating mechanics for new classes or ararchetypes in my experience it is more helpful in general to compare to other class or archetype mechanics. [/QUOTE]
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