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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cyber-Dave" data-source="post: 6922197" data-attributes="member: 82132">I'm saying that, as a general rule, published material is the baseline by which we judge playtest/UA material. That should be a given. I am not sure why I need to explain that. I also don't hypothesize about what will happen. I only have the data in front of me. I can only judge "balance," a relational concept, based on that data. However, even if it was struck from the ranger's spell list, that would still leave this UA ranger with a power that is virtually the same as a much more powerful version of a spell that many full casters don't get until 7th level. I didn't make any arguments in my first post. I provided some observations and one or two opinions. The observations and opinions in my fist post and the opinions and arguments I have provided since then are congruous. I'm not sure where you are interpreting an incongruity, but you are misreading something if you believe an incongruity exists. Or, at the very least, you are interpreting something I have written in a manner other than I had hoped it would be read. Generally speaking, disagreeing with someone doesn't necessitate hostility. Laughing at a post that is not written in a humorous vein seems, to me, to be a form of passive hostility. Hostility in forums is usually a sign of frustration. So, I am sorry for misinterpreting these signals as frustration. I am not sure how else to interpret them. My goal here is not to frustrate you. I'm not sure what else I can constructively say to you on this subject. If you don't think it is pertinent that a 3rd level power, which expends no resources, is much more powerful than a spell which no other character can cast until level 7, so be it. If you don't understand why many DMs find it frustrating when the sheer level of detail provided by the current version of Primeval Awareness is handed out after nothing more than 1 minute of concentration, or don't find that frustration justifiable, so be it. If you don't understand why some players would want to mitigate that frustration by giving the DM a little more hands on control over what data the 3rd level ability provides, that's cool. I agree with Horwath's interpretation, and that interpretation doesn't invalidate or resolve the core issue I have developed or that my DM has complained about. Yes, it obviates my poor example. So be it. It was a poor example. The central problem, however, persists, at least to me. I get it isn't a problem for you. I respect that! It still is for me. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Different gaming groups have different needs and all that jazz! I'll let WotC's market research inform their opinions. I don't have much else to say on this subject right now.</blockquote>

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