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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cyber-Dave" data-source="post: 6922264" data-attributes="member: 82132">So, you were looking for a specific set or type of data because you assumed, in advance, that the problem could only be localized there? Um. Ok. That doesn't seem useful to me, but whatever. My specific game has a problem with this class feature because my DM looked at the feature and instantly started to worry about how much work it would be for him to both prepare games if I used it in certain frustrating ways and adjudicate during play if he failed to prepare for certain unexpected uses. He told me as much, as he didn't want me to get frustrated at the table, and he didn't want to get frustrated at the table either. I said no problem, I get your logic. I asked if I could still try and use it. He said sure, but it might not always give me the information I want (even if it would in the RAW) and might sometimes require a skill check to give me the information I want. I said no problem. The only problem is that the rule forced us to have that discussion in the first place. Ideally, the RAW is easy enough to use that no such discussion ever has to take place; since reality isn't ideal, the design goal should be that no such discussion ever has to take place at the tables of any sizable portion of the fan-base. I have no idea if it does or doesn't. I don't have the data required to make that call. It, however, is starting to sound like evidence in the community has suggested that it does, which suggests that the rule should be modified, and that bothers you because you like the rule as is... is that what is happening here?  Establishing large quantities of specific data on the spot is a difficult task for most humans. Keeping track of all possible outcomes that such specific data could have is even more difficult for most humans. The likelihood of an emergent result which somebody finds to be unpleasant occurring at a game table is high. What are you not seeing? 50 feet of hempen rope doesn't generate a large quantity of specific effects as well. In fact, its a good example of what I would like Primeval Awareness to become more like--a wide variety of potential uses, but a very acute list of specific effects, as most of the effects it can potentially produce (let alone certainly produce) will require on the spot holistic adjudication on the part of the DM.</blockquote>

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