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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cyber-Dave" data-source="post: 6922289" data-attributes="member: 82132">Why would you assume that my DM would not be bothered by giving out numbers for type as well? Not to mention, my DM gave examples. Those should be considered as exemplary, not complete. You seem to really want my DM to be ok with the power after Horwath's rather good point. I don't want to speak for my DM. He can do that on his own. Based on what he has said to me so far, however, I do not think he would be ok with the power if it didn't name type and tag. I think his issues are far more broad than, "it informs the player of type and tag," or he would have just told me, "I don't plan to tell you what tag the humanoids in the area are." Quite frankly, I think he would be equally annoyed to have to regularly tell me, "there are 28 humanoids 5 miles to the east, 13 4 miles to the west, over 100 back south in the direction of the city you just came from, and 1 dragon 4 miles north of you."  The fact that you find it easy is irrelevant. Point is, what he would have to do to adjudicate the power as written makes the game less fun for him, no matter what you think about that. In fact, despite pukunui's examples, he has said that holds true for him as well. That is a valuable observation in and of itself. If enough players share that subjective opinion of the power as written, it should be modified before appearing in official print. If it is a subjective opinion only held by a vast minority, that minority can houserule as required to fix the problem. That is all. This is just anecdotal feedback from my table, which makes me question why you are trying so hard to argue that this anecdotal feedback should not be considered valid. I can't figure out what YOUR goal is in this thread. Are you saying that the subjective feedback from my table is "wrong," and we do not have the "right" to feel the way we do? If not, what are you trying to argue with? Can you please explain your motivation and what you are hoping to achieve? Perhaps that would help resolve this discussion...   I agree. I believe that this is probably why, up to now, my DM has allowed me to learn what I want to learn without forcing me to make any rolls. The fact remains, however, that the power as written made his hairs stand on end and make him leery of its use. It sounds like a lot of other people have a similar problem, though I can't be certain. I would rather it didn't do that to my DM, let alone a lot of other people.</blockquote>

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