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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7482447" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>I can't speak for [MENTION=42040]Retreater[/MENTION] , but for me there were a few lines in his tweet that jumped out to me. </p><p></p><p>"There is one ranger: the one in the Player's Handbook"</p><p></p><p>"Frankly, the revised ranger helped feed an internet-fueled view of the class... I wasn't sorry to end it."</p><p></p><p>Both of those... the tone I picture them said in is almost derogatory. And, while I missed whatever it was he said in 2017 about never doing an alternative class, as someone posted earlier in this thread, two years ago near the end of 2016 (09/12/2016) they were saying very different things about the state of the Ranger. </p><p></p><p>Just in the first paragraph of that PDF we have "the class’s high levels of player dissatisfaction and its ranking as D&D’s weakest class by a significant margin" quoted as the reason for the revisions. </p><p></p><p>And they talk about doing research and finding the class lacking back then, it's abilities rated as some of the worst in the game and people generally being unhappy with it. </p><p></p><p>And you know... that is weird to me. I get that player dynamics change, especially over two years, but to go from one of the weakest and least satisfying classes to being "not even in the bottom third" with no revision to the rules or class. That is weird. And, it isn't like people hadn't had time to really appreciate the class, the game was two years old at that point. </p><p></p><p>I don't think a player base shift caused this change. To me, it seems to be that the biggest change between 2016 and 2018 is the release of Xanathar's in 2017, with better made subclasses for the Ranger. Which, makes Crawford's comment that "there is one ranger" and that it is in the PHB hilarious, because the PHB Ranger might not be why people are suddenly happy, that'd be the Xanathar Ranger's, and they don't excuse the Beastmaster still being what it has always been. Dissatisfying. </p><p></p><p>And, I think as someone who really got excited by the Revised Ranger, and who is keeping those rules alive at his own table, Crawford talking about "ending it" like he has banned it from all tables, kind of upsets me. All of those homebrew and UA rangers are still out there being used, so maybe we don't need an officially printed solution, but that doesn't mean that WoTC actually got it right with the PHB Ranger.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 7482447, member: 6801228"] I can't speak for [MENTION=42040]Retreater[/MENTION] , but for me there were a few lines in his tweet that jumped out to me. "There is one ranger: the one in the Player's Handbook" "Frankly, the revised ranger helped feed an internet-fueled view of the class... I wasn't sorry to end it." Both of those... the tone I picture them said in is almost derogatory. And, while I missed whatever it was he said in 2017 about never doing an alternative class, as someone posted earlier in this thread, two years ago near the end of 2016 (09/12/2016) they were saying very different things about the state of the Ranger. Just in the first paragraph of that PDF we have "the class’s high levels of player dissatisfaction and its ranking as D&D’s weakest class by a significant margin" quoted as the reason for the revisions. And they talk about doing research and finding the class lacking back then, it's abilities rated as some of the worst in the game and people generally being unhappy with it. And you know... that is weird to me. I get that player dynamics change, especially over two years, but to go from one of the weakest and least satisfying classes to being "not even in the bottom third" with no revision to the rules or class. That is weird. And, it isn't like people hadn't had time to really appreciate the class, the game was two years old at that point. I don't think a player base shift caused this change. To me, it seems to be that the biggest change between 2016 and 2018 is the release of Xanathar's in 2017, with better made subclasses for the Ranger. Which, makes Crawford's comment that "there is one ranger" and that it is in the PHB hilarious, because the PHB Ranger might not be why people are suddenly happy, that'd be the Xanathar Ranger's, and they don't excuse the Beastmaster still being what it has always been. Dissatisfying. And, I think as someone who really got excited by the Revised Ranger, and who is keeping those rules alive at his own table, Crawford talking about "ending it" like he has banned it from all tables, kind of upsets me. All of those homebrew and UA rangers are still out there being used, so maybe we don't need an officially printed solution, but that doesn't mean that WoTC actually got it right with the PHB Ranger. [/QUOTE]
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