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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 891704" data-attributes="member: 8158">Why is a reduction in Hit Dice roguelike? Since it's a d8, why not say it's more monkish?Cool.Yeah, that Manyshot presentation is a good point. It would be a shame for them to go the exquisitely route of virtual feats. For one thing, it wouldn't support multi-classing very well, since a guy with several levels of fighter or whatnot may already have gotten Rapid Shot or 2WF. Better to give him a list.Well, if I get the gist of this presentation, instead of making the ranger into a class that co-opts the fighter class features, you'd have him co-opt the barbarian’s? I don’t understand your statement that rage “sounds more like a PrC” ability. Seems like a barbarian is as much of a basic brute as they come (indeed, I’ve known a DM or two who thinks altogether illogical to let anyone pick up a level of barbarian if they didn’t start their career as one).The historical and fictional references are certainly not the best way to go, as they are all pretty subjective interpretations. As for your ranger variant, I was hoping your personal vision of a ranger would be a class that carves its own niche within a party without an emphasis on siphoning any other class’s abilities. How satisfying can that be?</blockquote>