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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 895125" data-attributes="member: 5100">The idea of a basic class built around raging doesn't really seem to have a place in _my_ setting, so I was willing to pass on the the Barbarian class.  Also, as I thought about what a Ranger should be, I discovered that the Barbarian class infringed a bit on his niche (notice which class gets first rigts).  Between the two, I decided the Barbarian just didn't have a place, so I dumped it.I could see where someone might want to keep the Barbarian class.  Or where my Ranger might be too martial.  I'd be _very_ surprised if my Ranger were ever held up by many as the ideal.  I'm not sure that even I think it's "just right", but it comes close enough that people who look at it can get a good idea of what I see when someone says "Ranger".Nah.  Nothing new or radical in my Ranger.  A fair amount of that, I'm sure, is that people don't seem to think anything is new and radical if it isn't supernatural, and I think a Ranger should emphasize the mundane over the supernatural.As far as siphoning off other class abilities, I don't really think that charge holds much weight.  I didn't siphon the Barbarian's skills any more than the current Ranger siphonned the Monk's.  I created a rather tough, stealthy, extraordinarily difficult to surprise wilderness warrior.  The Barbarian is an amazingly tough, battle-crazed, extraordinarily difficult to surprise wild warrior.  There are bound to be similarities.If I were to do it over, I'd probably give Woodland Stride instead of +10 movement.  I'd also add the Fast Tracking that the 3.5 Ranger has.I got Uncanny Dodge because, IMHO, that's a no-brainer for a Ranger.  I don't really see it for the Barbarian.  Regardless, it wasn't a swipe, just a coinsidence.That leaves DR as something the two share.  To be honest, I wasn't sure I should add it.  I've been saying, though, that I thought the Ranger should be slightly tougher than the Fighter, but not in terms of a higher HD type.  I don't like the idea of two PC classes having DR, but once I realized I was pitching the Barbarian, it seemed a reasonable addition.  Still, if I had to drop one feature of the class, DR would easily be the one.</blockquote>

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