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<blockquote data-quote="Hawken" data-source="post: 4523936" data-attributes="member: 23619"><p>The laziness and lack of creativity of your players is their own fault and not a reason to merit such an overarching change to the game. Your situation does explain a lot though. If your players don't want to play any caster class before level 6, that is just a little too immature.</p><p></p><p>What 'crap' exactly are they having to put up with at levels 1-5? By non-cleric I'm assuming you mean bard, druid, sorcerer and wizard. Bards at any level have plenty of skills and special abilities they can use, druids have their special abilities, sorcerers have a lot of spells and wizards, admittedly 'plain' in comparison, have access to the largest selection of spells of any class. If they whine about not enough spells for a wizard, they get bonus for higher Int scores and could specialize in a school of magic, and maybe pick up a pearl of power or two. </p><p></p><p>I'm willing to bet they treat mid/high level casters as artillery pieces and choose their spells as if they were preparing for gladiatorial combat--one fight after another--and they want an 'at will' power because they want to blast something every round but don't want to 'waste' their spells doing it and don't want to resort to mundane weapons or invest some gp in wands to be able to do it. Maybe I'm off, but from what you came up with and what you mentioned about their play style, that seems pretty close to it.</p><p></p><p>Just because they all agreed and opposed you doesn't mean they weren't exaggerating. And even if they all were against you, remember, the DM is never outnumbered! If they don't want to play a non-cleric caster, then make them go through the adventure without it. If they are going to need magic, bring along a wizard or whatever as an NPC and have him charge them through the nose for his services!</p><p></p><p>Really, their attitude is just plain lazy. It seems like they would be happier with 4e which is throwing a lot of dice and blasting stuff! And they could play wizards that Magic Missile anything that breathes without worrying about 'wasting' spells since there aren't spells anymore, everything is a power.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hawken, post: 4523936, member: 23619"] The laziness and lack of creativity of your players is their own fault and not a reason to merit such an overarching change to the game. Your situation does explain a lot though. If your players don't want to play any caster class before level 6, that is just a little too immature. What 'crap' exactly are they having to put up with at levels 1-5? By non-cleric I'm assuming you mean bard, druid, sorcerer and wizard. Bards at any level have plenty of skills and special abilities they can use, druids have their special abilities, sorcerers have a lot of spells and wizards, admittedly 'plain' in comparison, have access to the largest selection of spells of any class. If they whine about not enough spells for a wizard, they get bonus for higher Int scores and could specialize in a school of magic, and maybe pick up a pearl of power or two. I'm willing to bet they treat mid/high level casters as artillery pieces and choose their spells as if they were preparing for gladiatorial combat--one fight after another--and they want an 'at will' power because they want to blast something every round but don't want to 'waste' their spells doing it and don't want to resort to mundane weapons or invest some gp in wands to be able to do it. Maybe I'm off, but from what you came up with and what you mentioned about their play style, that seems pretty close to it. Just because they all agreed and opposed you doesn't mean they weren't exaggerating. And even if they all were against you, remember, the DM is never outnumbered! If they don't want to play a non-cleric caster, then make them go through the adventure without it. If they are going to need magic, bring along a wizard or whatever as an NPC and have him charge them through the nose for his services! Really, their attitude is just plain lazy. It seems like they would be happier with 4e which is throwing a lot of dice and blasting stuff! And they could play wizards that Magic Missile anything that breathes without worrying about 'wasting' spells since there aren't spells anymore, everything is a power. [/QUOTE]
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