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<blockquote data-quote="haiiro" data-source="post: 784935" data-attributes="member: 1891">My guess would be that the orc's imbalanced attribute shift (which should have another -2 somewhere, as you say) is compensated for by their light sensitivity.The main difference that I can see between sleep and fear effects is that sleep effects lose their punch once you're through low levels. If memory serves, dragons and other particularly terrible beasties generate fear effects with much higher save DCs, making fear immunity a more powerful ability than sleep immunity, IMO.Nonetheless, if you leave in the -2 INT, I think adding something along those lines would be just fine (particularly when coupled with &quot;favored class: any,&quot; which is a good ability).I hadn't thought about the half-orc from that perspective. Without &quot;favored class: any,&quot; the only thing differentiating them from full orcs is their attributes and lack of light sensitivity, which really just makes them less orc-y, not different. Interesting.I do think the favored class versatility loses a bit of oomph when INT and CHA are penalized -- you still won't see many half-orc sorcerers, wizards or bards (or much multiclassing with those classes), and to a lesser extent clerics, rogues and paladins will all feel those stat hits as well. That's one reason I think having barbarian as a favored class makes sense.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="haiiro, post: 784935, member: 1891"] My guess would be that the orc's imbalanced attribute shift (which should have another -2 somewhere, as you say) is compensated for by their light sensitivity. [b][/b] The main difference that I can see between sleep and fear effects is that sleep effects lose their punch once you're through low levels. If memory serves, dragons and other particularly terrible beasties generate fear effects with much higher save DCs, making fear immunity a more powerful ability than sleep immunity, IMO. Nonetheless, if you leave in the -2 INT, I think adding something along those lines would be just fine (particularly when coupled with "favored class: any," which is a good ability). [b][/B] I hadn't thought about the half-orc from that perspective. Without "favored class: any," the only thing differentiating them from full orcs is their attributes and lack of light sensitivity, which really just makes them less orc-y, not different. Interesting. I do think the favored class versatility loses a bit of oomph when INT and CHA are penalized -- you still won't see many half-orc sorcerers, wizards or bards (or much multiclassing with those classes), and to a lesser extent clerics, rogues and paladins will all feel those stat hits as well. That's one reason I think having barbarian as a favored class makes sense. [/QUOTE]

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