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<blockquote data-quote="Viktyr Gehrig" data-source="post: 784958" data-attributes="member: 9249">Well, I got most of the idea from Dragonstar. Orcs are a core race in Dragonstar, but I noticed the designers changed the Orcs' Favored Class to Fighter-- without changing the Half Orc. It irritated me, and also led me to realize how little difference there was between the two races-- a problem 2e had, as well.&nbsp;Rogue does feel a bit of a bite from the Int penalty, but the Half Orc Fighter/Rogue was one of my favorite archetypes from Second Edition, and I wanted to make it a bit more viable in Third Edition. Also, I think Half Orcs were only stuck with FC: Barbarian because they didn't have Orc to compare to in the PHB. Half Orcs were &quot;the savage race&quot; instead of a hybrid race, like Half Elves. &nbsp;With no offense intended to the game designers, I don't think they gave the Half Orc as much consideration as the other player races. It seems to have the same afterthought status as it did in Second Edition, where it was first a subrace of Orc in the monster splatbook. (It was identical to full Orcs, except Half Orcs had a Con bonus that full Orcs didn't. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused&nbsp; &nbsp; :confused:"&nbsp; data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> )</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Viktyr Gehrig, post: 784958, member: 9249"] Well, I got most of the idea from Dragonstar. Orcs are a core race in Dragonstar, but I noticed the designers changed the Orcs' Favored Class to Fighter-- without changing the Half Orc. It irritated me, and also led me to realize how little difference there was between the two races-- a problem 2e had, as well. Rogue does feel a bit of a bite from the Int penalty, but the Half Orc Fighter/Rogue was one of my favorite archetypes from Second Edition, and I wanted to make it a bit more viable in Third Edition. Also, I think Half Orcs were only stuck with FC: Barbarian because they didn't have Orc to compare to in the PHB. Half Orcs were "the savage race" instead of a hybrid race, like Half Elves. With no offense intended to the game designers, I don't think they gave the Half Orc as much consideration as the other player races. It seems to have the same afterthought status as it did in Second Edition, where it was first a subrace of Orc in the monster splatbook. (It was identical to full Orcs, except Half Orcs had a Con bonus that full Orcs didn't. :confused: ) [/QUOTE]

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