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<blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 5028258" data-attributes="member: 43019">Melee only enemies are a strict staple of the genre. The system needs to be able to cope with them.And we're just disagreeing on definitions for the terms badly and well. It's a subjective personal thing - you like one thing, I like another. That doesn't make the system bad. It means you want something else. What _is_ bad is saying the system is bad when it's just different in a way you don't prefer. You're going to continually harm your case if you harp on darkvision, since you can get darkvision as a PC in 4E. And here we can disagree. I've played a lot of Earthdawn and D&amp;D in my day, and I feel safe in saying that flight is not a racial characteristic that I need ever see at 1st level in D&amp;D. As a paragon path thing or epic destiny, or via magic item, or transport mechanism? Sure, whatever. But I'm totally fine with monsters and adventures that don't assume flight. The popular example being the Lord of the Rings where they do an eagle assisted drop of the ring in the first chapter <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Mutants and Masterminds is a point-based system with level-induced maximums. You can get the same effect from other point-buy systems, such as saying 'You guys can have a maximum of one die of damage per 25 CP' - but, yes, the maximum is low enough that everyone caps out on the combat capable stuff. Cause why not.Flight is hardly a side dish even in M&amp;M, where it's a staple trope. Darkvision is also basically inconsequential in the setting.Either way, you have one core pool of points and can have things like '45 point races' which in D&amp;D (any edition) would be more trouble than it's worth.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="keterys, post: 5028258, member: 43019"] Melee only enemies are a strict staple of the genre. The system needs to be able to cope with them. And we're just disagreeing on definitions for the terms badly and well. It's a subjective personal thing - you like one thing, I like another. That doesn't make the system bad. It means you want something else. What _is_ bad is saying the system is bad when it's just different in a way you don't prefer. You're going to continually harm your case if you harp on darkvision, since you can get darkvision as a PC in 4E. And here we can disagree. I've played a lot of Earthdawn and D&D in my day, and I feel safe in saying that flight is not a racial characteristic that I need ever see at 1st level in D&D. As a paragon path thing or epic destiny, or via magic item, or transport mechanism? Sure, whatever. But I'm totally fine with monsters and adventures that don't assume flight. The popular example being the Lord of the Rings where they do an eagle assisted drop of the ring in the first chapter ;) Mutants and Masterminds is a point-based system with level-induced maximums. You can get the same effect from other point-buy systems, such as saying 'You guys can have a maximum of one die of damage per 25 CP' - but, yes, the maximum is low enough that everyone caps out on the combat capable stuff. Cause why not. Flight is hardly a side dish even in M&M, where it's a staple trope. Darkvision is also basically inconsequential in the setting. Either way, you have one core pool of points and can have things like '45 point races' which in D&D (any edition) would be more trouble than it's worth. [/QUOTE]

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