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<blockquote data-quote="Turtlejay" data-source="post: 5037421" data-attributes="member: 70267"><p>So another productive discussion gets sidelined into an edition warring mess. Do you see the surprised look on my face?</p><p> </p><p>I have actually thought about some of the issues brought up here, with the Minotaur, and the Kobold, and the Dark Elf, and have a really good solution for you guys:</p><p> </p><p>Don't play a game you don't enjoy.</p><p> </p><p>Seriously, if so much bugs you about these little things, then play what you want. And notice, I said a game you don't *enjoy*. I like playing 3.5 just fine, and would play it again. I doubt I'd enjoy it as much as some of the other systems I've played since we quit, though.</p><p> </p><p>Add to that a request to not knock over my sandcastle because you think something is wrong with it. Admissions of a lack of system knowledge come quick, but so does criticism based on that lack of knowledge. I fail to see how this makes your opinion valid.</p><p> </p><p>The OP has my sympathies. Nothing brings a session down than having to play a newly nerfed character. In the end, that's what this is all about. WotC re-evaluated Minotaurs and found them unbalanced as is, so they gave them a full PC writeup. This had the effect of reducing the OP's damage. This totally sucks, but it happens. In return, he gets an LFR legal race (whatever that does for him) and some feats he may or may not use. His frustration is understandable.</p><p> </p><p>Unfortunately, I can't really fault WotC for how they did it. As has been pointed out, the article was not really an errata so much as it was a debut. Minotaurs existed in a proto-PC form, and with the debut they emerged as a more finely balanced race. Any time a player is using such material, such as playtest classes or Dragon Magazine feats that have yet to be finalized (Reaper's Touch) they run the risk of being nerfed. It is just part of the game.</p><p> </p><p>Jay</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Turtlejay, post: 5037421, member: 70267"] So another productive discussion gets sidelined into an edition warring mess. Do you see the surprised look on my face? I have actually thought about some of the issues brought up here, with the Minotaur, and the Kobold, and the Dark Elf, and have a really good solution for you guys: Don't play a game you don't enjoy. Seriously, if so much bugs you about these little things, then play what you want. And notice, I said a game you don't *enjoy*. I like playing 3.5 just fine, and would play it again. I doubt I'd enjoy it as much as some of the other systems I've played since we quit, though. Add to that a request to not knock over my sandcastle because you think something is wrong with it. Admissions of a lack of system knowledge come quick, but so does criticism based on that lack of knowledge. I fail to see how this makes your opinion valid. The OP has my sympathies. Nothing brings a session down than having to play a newly nerfed character. In the end, that's what this is all about. WotC re-evaluated Minotaurs and found them unbalanced as is, so they gave them a full PC writeup. This had the effect of reducing the OP's damage. This totally sucks, but it happens. In return, he gets an LFR legal race (whatever that does for him) and some feats he may or may not use. His frustration is understandable. Unfortunately, I can't really fault WotC for how they did it. As has been pointed out, the article was not really an errata so much as it was a debut. Minotaurs existed in a proto-PC form, and with the debut they emerged as a more finely balanced race. Any time a player is using such material, such as playtest classes or Dragon Magazine feats that have yet to be finalized (Reaper's Touch) they run the risk of being nerfed. It is just part of the game. Jay [/QUOTE]
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