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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8261181" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>Exactly!</p><p></p><p></p><p>What exactly is being misapplied? The rules treat darkness as an area of heavy obscurement. </p><p></p><p></p><p>When the darkness that is blocking line of site is so limited on radius that it can be moved through or around in 1 turn - is it actually effective at blocking line of sight?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's not true. In 5e RAW combat, unless you are hidden (unseen and unheard) then the enemy knows your position.</p><p></p><p>I get the feeling that your non-RAW rulings are biasing your opinion.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure. though that also means you can't counterspell them. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure. But it also shuts down the ability to hit them with spells that require seeing the target.</p><p></p><p>That's a use yes, but it's a pretty niche use. My argument isn't that there is no circumstances darkness is useful when treating it as inkblot, it's that there's so few benefits and the benefits it does have come up very rarely.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It will only do that to casters that need to target someone they can see. Every other combatant just stands in it and fights anyways, because it doesn't have any effect on what they are doing...</p><p></p><p></p><p>Darkness provides obscurement not cover. It also doesn't make you automatically succeed on stealth or keep the enemies from reacting to the ball of darkness coming at them. </p><p></p><p>This goes back again to the argument of it being next to useless and not useless entirely. You seem to be arguing that there's some small bit of use that can be found for it. And my response is: So what? Before we even started discussing I already conceded there were some small bits of 'use' for it, so arguing that there are some small bits of 'use' for it isn't actually a counterpoint to my position...</p><p></p><p></p><p>It doesn't keep them from attacking you normally like they already are...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 8261181, member: 6795602"] Exactly! What exactly is being misapplied? The rules treat darkness as an area of heavy obscurement. When the darkness that is blocking line of site is so limited on radius that it can be moved through or around in 1 turn - is it actually effective at blocking line of sight? That's not true. In 5e RAW combat, unless you are hidden (unseen and unheard) then the enemy knows your position. I get the feeling that your non-RAW rulings are biasing your opinion. Sure. though that also means you can't counterspell them. Sure. But it also shuts down the ability to hit them with spells that require seeing the target. That's a use yes, but it's a pretty niche use. My argument isn't that there is no circumstances darkness is useful when treating it as inkblot, it's that there's so few benefits and the benefits it does have come up very rarely. It will only do that to casters that need to target someone they can see. Every other combatant just stands in it and fights anyways, because it doesn't have any effect on what they are doing... Darkness provides obscurement not cover. It also doesn't make you automatically succeed on stealth or keep the enemies from reacting to the ball of darkness coming at them. This goes back again to the argument of it being next to useless and not useless entirely. You seem to be arguing that there's some small bit of use that can be found for it. And my response is: So what? Before we even started discussing I already conceded there were some small bits of 'use' for it, so arguing that there are some small bits of 'use' for it isn't actually a counterpoint to my position... It doesn't keep them from attacking you normally like they already are... [/QUOTE]
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