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<blockquote data-quote="FitzTheRuke" data-source="post: 8262356" data-attributes="member: 59816">Right, but FrogReaver was making the suggestion that &quot;doesn't illuminate&quot; could simply mean &quot;doesn't cause the area to become any brighter than it already is&quot; IE &quot;does not negate the spell&quot;. And doesn't HAVE to mean &quot;does not allow any light whatsoever to pass through the area&quot;.&nbsp; Illumination INCLUDES going from low-illumination to higher levels of illumination. We all understand that it is easy to read that line and assume NO-LIGHT. But it doesn't HAVE to, if you consider that &quot;Heavy Obscurement&quot; and &quot;Darkness&quot; include gradients where you can see a bit, but not terribly well. I would argue that INCLUDING those gradients is better for your narrative, as it helps to explain why the ONLY penalties are failing perception checks and having disadvantage on attacks (and the reverse). No chance of bumping into walls or tripping over things, you can still dash, etc. Seems like you can see a bit to me. YMMV.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FitzTheRuke, post: 8262356, member: 59816"] Right, but FrogReaver was making the suggestion that "doesn't illuminate" could simply mean "doesn't cause the area to become any brighter than it already is" IE "does not negate the spell". And doesn't HAVE to mean "does not allow any light whatsoever to pass through the area". Illumination INCLUDES going from low-illumination to higher levels of illumination. We all understand that it is easy to read that line and assume NO-LIGHT. But it doesn't HAVE to, if you consider that "Heavy Obscurement" and "Darkness" include gradients where you can see a bit, but not terribly well. I would argue that INCLUDING those gradients is better for your narrative, as it helps to explain why the ONLY penalties are failing perception checks and having disadvantage on attacks (and the reverse). No chance of bumping into walls or tripping over things, you can still dash, etc. Seems like you can see a bit to me. YMMV. [/QUOTE]

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