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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 8262369" data-attributes="member: 6787503">"For them" but not actually to the players at the table, and that's what matters. Darkvision is an exception to the rule that creatures cannot see things (clearly) that are in an area of darkness because a creature with darkvision sees in darkness "as if" it were dim light. There has to be an underlying understanding that there is a heavily obscured area of darkness in the shared fiction for that exception to apply to it in the first place.So your explanation for our disagreement is that I don't understand how vision works. How convenient for you to not have to explain why you think my games are filled with absurdities.</blockquote>