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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Xetheral" data-source="post: 8263980" data-attributes="member: 6802765">Not being able to be seen clearly is the standard for hiding. For Heavy Obscurement an observer effectively suffers from the Blinded condition, which means the observer "can't see".It doesn't sound like you are effectively suffering from the Blinded condition with respect to seeing things in the area of that clump of trees. It sounds like there might be particular places in that clump of trees where someone could stand where they were behind an opaque object, but to be "dense foliage" it shouldn't matter where exactly the creature is standing--an observer shouldn't be able to see a creature standing anywhere in dense foliage, which requires the opaque foliage to interrupt their line of sight everywhere. Otherwise the observer isn't effectively suffering from the Blinded condition, so the foliage in that area must not be sufficiently dense to qualify as Heavy Obscurement.Only the places dense enough to obscure the person would count as Heavily Obscured. The gaps are not Heavily Obscured, as a creature standing in such a gap would be visible to you.If someone was in that area and intersected your view of the telephone wires, you would see them, yes? By definition? You can see the wires, so you'd definitely be able to see something in front of the wires. But anything you can see you aren't effectively Blinded towards, so you're not effectively Blinded with respect to everything in that area. So how can the area be said to be Heavily Obscured?Maybe a good way of putting it is this: if you drop a stone monolith (shorter than the trees) at a random place in your clump of trees, are you, as an observer guaranteed to be unable to see the monolith? If yes, cool, then the area is Heavily Obscured--you are effectively suffering from the Blinded condition with respect to everything in the area. If instead you might see the monolith, then the area must not be Heavily Obscured because you aren't effectively suffering from the Blinded condition with respect to everything in the area.So yes, it definitely sounds like we are treating different levels of foliage as sufficient to qualify as Heavy Obscurement. I think the rules for the Blinded condition require full opacity, and you do not.</blockquote>

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