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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 1165604" data-attributes="member: 2205">Most of what you call "complex" is typically done without much thought, in my experience.  I also believe d20 is fairly complex "out of game"; during character generation, for example, but not during actual play.  During actual play, the "complexity" is typically "roll d20; add your modifier, compare to a target number."I mean, I guess I see where you're coming from in theory; if you're spending a lot of time looking up rules, then it can get in the way of roleplaying.  I'm surprised that someone would find d20 that complex or complicated though.  To me, it's always been fairly simple and transparent, which facilitates roleplaying, because you don't need to spend lots of time thinking about the rules.Also note; your example only covers combat.  If you're doing all that much "deep immersion roleplaying" all those complexities you mention rarely even apply anyway.</blockquote>