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<blockquote data-quote="slobster" data-source="post: 8356607" data-attributes="member: 6693711">Yeah, I should add that in my ideal world, the restaurant raises prices and then puts all that money right into their workforce. I'd like to live in that world, but we also live in the world where some people would raise prices 20% to give their employees a 3% raise...I should note that I am a small business owner, an avowed capitalist, and someone who employs several people in my business. I know how hard it can be to make ends meet as a small business, how things are stacked towards larger corporations who can afford to navigate the tangle of overregulation that exists in California (it is a real thing, I promise!), how expensive it is to provide meaningful benefits to employees (health insurance is important to have, but man if you can't buy the subsidized ones on Covered California, the insurance companies charge you tens of thousands a year for coverage that is quite frankly terrible), etc., etc.I'm not trying to excuse awful employers who don't pay their employees a fair wage. I know they exist, I've had several of those jobs myself. I try to do better, but at a certain point it's not enough for people to demand fairness from the businesses they frequent or their own employers, that has to be backed up by real power, whether governmental (probably in the form of legislation) or union organization or what have you. But there needs to be a fist inside the glove or some people will just get away with whatever they can, and those employers who try to do the right thing will suffer for being suckers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="slobster, post: 8356607, member: 6693711"] Yeah, I should add that in my ideal world, the restaurant raises prices and then puts all that money right into their workforce. I'd like to live in that world, but we also live in the world where some people would raise prices 20% to give their employees a 3% raise... I should note that I am a small business owner, an avowed capitalist, and someone who employs several people in my business. I know how hard it can be to make ends meet as a small business, how things are stacked towards larger corporations who can afford to navigate the tangle of overregulation that exists in California (it is a real thing, I promise!), how expensive it is to provide meaningful benefits to employees (health insurance is important to have, but man if you can't buy the subsidized ones on Covered California, the insurance companies charge you tens of thousands a year for coverage that is quite frankly terrible), etc., etc. I'm not trying to excuse awful employers who don't pay their employees a fair wage. I know they exist, I've had several of those jobs myself. I try to do better, but at a certain point it's not enough for people to demand fairness from the businesses they frequent or their own employers, that has to be backed up by real power, whether governmental (probably in the form of legislation) or union organization or what have you. But there needs to be a fist inside the glove or some people will just get away with whatever they can, and those employers who try to do the right thing will suffer for being suckers. [/QUOTE]

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