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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9420156" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>And to zoom in on this, not because I think you would disagree Snarf, but because of the response I expect from others. "And this isn't a bad thing". </p><p></p><p>People keep pressing forward on this idea of unlimited designer freedom, that the designers should all be free to design only the thing that they want to design... Well, not everyone is going to agree to the design, and most major things that get released do not rely solely on the single vision of a single artist. </p><p></p><p>To step away from gaming for a second and talk about Manga, there is a rather famous story in the Manga/Anime community. Masashi Kishimoto, the man who created Naruto, did not have any plans to include the rival character Sasuke. He was told, by his editor, to include the character against his initial wishes. Sasuke is HALF the story. The story as it exists, every single major arc of hundreds of chapters, makes no sense at all if he is taken out of the story. It all falls apart. </p><p></p><p>And yes, you could challenge "but maybe it would have been an even better story without him!" And, you can make that argument in talking about a series that is impossible to imagine, just like I can say "the new novel released in 2030 will completely destroy Tolkien in terms of quality and drive him into obscurity". You can't disprove that, because the story doesn't exist and it is theoretically possible. But practically, it is a hard claim to defend. </p><p></p><p>Yes, a designer is not 100% free to do anything they want when they work for someone else. But that can just as easily make their work BETTER as it can make it worse.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9420156, member: 6801228"] And to zoom in on this, not because I think you would disagree Snarf, but because of the response I expect from others. "And this isn't a bad thing". People keep pressing forward on this idea of unlimited designer freedom, that the designers should all be free to design only the thing that they want to design... Well, not everyone is going to agree to the design, and most major things that get released do not rely solely on the single vision of a single artist. To step away from gaming for a second and talk about Manga, there is a rather famous story in the Manga/Anime community. Masashi Kishimoto, the man who created Naruto, did not have any plans to include the rival character Sasuke. He was told, by his editor, to include the character against his initial wishes. Sasuke is HALF the story. The story as it exists, every single major arc of hundreds of chapters, makes no sense at all if he is taken out of the story. It all falls apart. And yes, you could challenge "but maybe it would have been an even better story without him!" And, you can make that argument in talking about a series that is impossible to imagine, just like I can say "the new novel released in 2030 will completely destroy Tolkien in terms of quality and drive him into obscurity". You can't disprove that, because the story doesn't exist and it is theoretically possible. But practically, it is a hard claim to defend. Yes, a designer is not 100% free to do anything they want when they work for someone else. But that can just as easily make their work BETTER as it can make it worse. [/QUOTE]
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