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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9632676" data-attributes="member: 7006">Yes indeed.&nbsp; Even when we had the dozens of threads regarding 5E14 Hiding and &quot;trying to fix it&quot; a decade ago... there was never any consensus because every DM and table wants hiding to be something different.&nbsp; So there just ended up being all these potential ideas thrown out there into the ether... none of which really ever got used except by the person who threw out the idea in the first place.Which is exactly the point-- it doesn't matter what the Hiding rules are, because every DM is going to use whatever rules they prefer regardless.&nbsp; If someone picked up a set of rules from some 3E-adjacent product back in 2003 and has been using those instructions for stealth ever since... they aren't going to change from those rules to whatever got printed in the 4E, 5E14 or 5E24 books.&nbsp; They just keep using the rules they prefer, regardless of what actually got printed as the &quot;new rules&quot; for stealth.But for some reason, a lot of DMs seem to have an issue with everybody playing D&amp;D in a different way, rather than everyone using the exact same ruleset.&nbsp; As though RAW is the paragon of gameplay that everyone should inspire to.&nbsp; Which of course is nonsense.Hiding rules don't need to be fixed, because every DM is going to use or interpret Hiding in whatever way works for them anyway.&nbsp; All anyone is really doing is posting their own personal house rules on the matter... and if they are lucky, maybe one other DM out there might see those house rules and have them click on for them to become their default rules they end up using going forward for the next 20 years.&nbsp; Which isn't nothing I suppose... but is very little gain for the thousands of pages of text that gets typed about it every time a new set of rulebooks get released.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 9632676, member: 7006"] Yes indeed. Even when we had the dozens of threads regarding 5E14 Hiding and "trying to fix it" a decade ago... there was never any consensus because every DM and table wants hiding to be something different. So there just ended up being all these potential ideas thrown out there into the ether... none of which really ever got used except by the person who threw out the idea in the first place. Which is exactly the point-- it doesn't matter what the Hiding rules are, because every DM is going to use whatever rules they prefer regardless. If someone picked up a set of rules from some 3E-adjacent product back in 2003 and has been using those instructions for stealth ever since... they aren't going to change from those rules to whatever got printed in the 4E, 5E14 or 5E24 books. They just keep using the rules they prefer, regardless of what actually got printed as the "new rules" for stealth. But for some reason, a lot of DMs seem to have an issue with everybody playing D&D in a different way, rather than everyone using the exact same ruleset. As though RAW is the paragon of gameplay that everyone should inspire to. Which of course is nonsense. Hiding rules don't need to be fixed, because every DM is going to use or interpret Hiding in whatever way works for them anyway. All anyone is really doing is posting their own personal house rules on the matter... and if they are lucky, [I]maybe[/I] one other DM out there might see those house rules and have them click on for them to become their default rules they end up using going forward for the next 20 years. Which isn't nothing I suppose... but is very little gain for the thousands of pages of text that gets typed about it every time a new set of rulebooks get released. [/QUOTE]

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