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Message: <blockquote data-quote="IceBear" data-source="post: 122454" data-attributes="member: 1118">I guess I've been playing my surprise rounds wrong.Situation:Remorhaz buried under the ground lying in wait.  Party walks towards the spot in which it is hidden.  Now, it's underground and not moving so I don't think I would allow a Spot or Listen check (at least not without serious penalties).  I would allow a Wilderness Lore check to allow someone to spot some sign that one might be nearby, but that's it.  So, the odds are the remorhaz will detect the PCs before it can detect them.Surprise Round: Remorhaz burrows up 10ft and attacks a PC as a charge.What's wrong with that? This is no different than the PCs not noticing some orcs hiding in the bushes, and then the orcs wait until the PCs are within 20ft and charge them.  I guess maybe it's not possible to use burrowing to charge, I dunno.Anyway, I see a lot of DMs stating that they would give the party all kinds of rolls to nullify the surprise round.  I always thought that once the surprise round started, that was it - you were either surprised or you weren't.  I would give rolls to PCs BEFORE the surprise round, but like I said an insect that isn't moving and hidden under the ice won't exactly be easy to spot or hear.IceBear</blockquote>