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<blockquote data-quote="IceBear" data-source="post: 123018" data-attributes="member: 1118">Holy crap!&nbsp; You're not getting me are you? We're back to the example of the goblin that is hiding behind a door in room B while the players are in room A.&nbsp; Would you allow a spot check to allow the players to see the goblin? I sure wouldn't.&nbsp; Would I allow a spot check to notice it's muddy footprint going into that room?&nbsp; Maybe, but the DC wouldn't be the goblin's Hide roll.If the ice worm was hiding behind a rock, I would use the standard opposed rolls of Hide vs Spot.&nbsp; It's not doing that.&nbsp; It's 20ft under ground.&nbsp; There is no way of the PCs seeing it.&nbsp; They might see signs that it is nearby, but they can't see it.&nbsp; I''m not giving it any more abilities than it has in the Monster Manual. I'm just using common sense when it comes to something being 20ft underground.If you want to make the chance of detecting those signs to be the same as the chance of spotting it hiding, I think you've invented the house rule not me.Even Petrosian thinks a Wilderness Lore check is the way of noticing the trap.IceBear</blockquote>

[QUOTE="IceBear, post: 123018, member: 1118"] Holy crap! You're not getting me are you? We're back to the example of the goblin that is hiding behind a door in room B while the players are in room A. Would you allow a spot check to allow the players to see the goblin? I sure wouldn't. Would I allow a spot check to notice it's muddy footprint going into that room? Maybe, but the DC wouldn't be the goblin's Hide roll. If the ice worm was hiding behind a rock, I would use the standard opposed rolls of Hide vs Spot. It's not doing that. It's 20ft under ground. There is no way of the PCs seeing it. They might see signs that it is nearby, but they can't see it. I''m not giving it any more abilities than it has in the Monster Manual. I'm just using common sense when it comes to something being 20ft underground. If you want to make the chance of detecting those signs to be the same as the chance of spotting it hiding, I think you've invented the house rule not me. Even Petrosian thinks a Wilderness Lore check is the way of noticing the trap. IceBear [/QUOTE]

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