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<blockquote data-quote="Axiomatic Unicorn" data-source="post: 123164" data-attributes="member: 1974">If you can move around without the other side knowing it, then it is not yet the surprise round.It works fine to say that the the creature bursts out of the ground, starting the encounter.&nbsp; The surprise round is now starting.&nbsp; Everyone makes a listen check to determine if they noticed the creature coming up.&nbsp; Those who make the check can participate in the surprise round.&nbsp; Those that don't must wait until the first round of combat.An extreme and absurd example to make the point, the remorhaz jumps up through the ice behind a party of total losers.&nbsp; None of them make their listen check and the remorhaz is behind them.&nbsp; Being losers, they just stand around, waiting for something to happen.&nbsp; The remorhaz can just sit behind them and wait if it wants.&nbsp; Whenever the remorhaz attacks, or one or more members of the party notice it, the surprise round starts.&nbsp; If the entire party notices it at the same time, then there is no surprise round.Edit:&nbsp; Unless you are saying that he can't possibly burrow up quietly at all, in which case listen checks are not required and your version woudl be correct.&nbsp; I did not think of it that way until just now.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Axiomatic Unicorn, post: 123164, member: 1974"] If you can move around without the other side knowing it, then it is not yet the surprise round. It works fine to say that the the creature bursts out of the ground, starting the encounter. The surprise round is now starting. Everyone makes a listen check to determine if they noticed the creature coming up. Those who make the check can participate in the surprise round. Those that don't must wait until the first round of combat. An extreme and absurd example to make the point, the remorhaz jumps up through the ice behind a party of total losers. None of them make their listen check and the remorhaz is behind them. Being losers, they just stand around, waiting for something to happen. The remorhaz can just sit behind them and wait if it wants. Whenever the remorhaz attacks, or one or more members of the party notice it, the surprise round starts. If the entire party notices it at the same time, then there is no surprise round. Edit: Unless you are saying that he can't possibly burrow up quietly at all, in which case listen checks are not required and your version woudl be correct. I did not think of it that way until just now. [/QUOTE]

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