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<blockquote data-quote="IceBear" data-source="post: 123646" data-attributes="member: 1118">Yes, but if that movement towards the surface was a partial charge (and thus an attack) that WOULD be the start of the surprise round, and thus I wouldn't allow the Listen check.&nbsp; In the surprise round you are limited to partial actions.&nbsp; If in your example, the assassin got within 30ft without being noticed and then made a partial charge, that, to me is the start of the surprise round.&nbsp; So, would you give the victim a Listen check to avoid being surprised?&nbsp; If so, and he makes his check the surprise round just got &quot;voided&quot; which makes the assassin's partial charge invalid.&nbsp; Thus, I wouldn't allow a Listen check in that case. So, with the ice worm example, if it was 20ft underground and then decided to burrow upwards and attack I would rule that anyone that hadn't detected it before then was surprised.&nbsp; Now, if it can't make a partial charge via burrowing (and I'm tending that way), then I completely agree with you.&nbsp; When it burrows towards the surface listen checks to notice it.&nbsp; If you fail to notice it (and it came up behind you) then the next round it could attack with surprise.IceBear</blockquote>

[QUOTE="IceBear, post: 123646, member: 1118"] Yes, but if that movement towards the surface was a partial charge (and thus an attack) that WOULD be the start of the surprise round, and thus I wouldn't allow the Listen check. In the surprise round you are limited to partial actions. If in your example, the assassin got within 30ft without being noticed and then made a partial charge, that, to me is the start of the surprise round. So, would you give the victim a Listen check to avoid being surprised? If so, and he makes his check the surprise round just got "voided" which makes the assassin's partial charge invalid. Thus, I wouldn't allow a Listen check in that case. So, with the ice worm example, if it was 20ft underground and then decided to burrow upwards and attack I would rule that anyone that hadn't detected it before then was surprised. Now, if it can't make a partial charge via burrowing (and I'm tending that way), then I completely agree with you. When it burrows towards the surface listen checks to notice it. If you fail to notice it (and it came up behind you) then the next round it could attack with surprise. IceBear [/QUOTE]

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