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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Petrosian" data-source="post: 123781" data-attributes="member: 1149">On the spot/hide goblin behind a wall example...The presence of a wall does not in any way preclude the possibility of "spotting" or more generally noticing someone on the other side of the wall.believe me, we have walls here and i notice my neighbors every morning when they engage in... well... activities.lets put goblins in a room behind a wall... possible tells that could exist to alert aa alert character could include...the steaming trail leaking out where the goblin just took/is taking a leak.the piles of refuse he has thrown out of his little hidey hole.the slurping or smacking sounds he is making while eating or engaging in solo...activities.the shadows cast by him from his little cookfire as he eats.the noise his sharpening stone makes against his teeth.Now of course there are a hundred ways said goblin can give tells as to him being there even with a wall. Sure if he is a skilled and savvy goblin he can take care of all these and be alert and silent and never give away his position...but since goblins do not have "always hidden: in their racial descriptions, we have to look for something to use as a guide.Some of us it seems feel that the actual skills listed are just dandy for this purpose. The skills like hide and move silently serve as a good guide for how well the creatures hides its presence and how well it keeps its noise down...nothing else exists to describe these things.its certainly within a DMs purview to rule a wall absolutely eliminates any chance of revelation of the presence of anything behind it... but for the rest of us, the skills mean something.they mean how well the creature uses his hiding places.they mean how well does the remoraz hide his presence.how often does the single digit intelligence remoraz figure out the go 100' down then creep up ...how often does the single digit int remoraz manage to get exactly the right positioning...he doesnt need to succeed everytime to get enough to survive.i use the skills...you use whatever suits you...</blockquote>

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