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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rechan" data-source="post: 3862354" data-attributes="member: 54846">Never underestimate the power of DMs to be stingy and limit character options.I'm leery if the system is built with the assumption you'll have three sixteens and, more DMs look at you like a munchkin if you have a sixteen and a fourteen.Okay. Let's look at the Paladin. The paladin is built as a melee class, with a smite attack. Strength effects attacking/damage. Being in melee, you're going to benefit from Con. Charisma effects saves and Turning. Wisdom effects Spellcasting. He has 2 skill points, most of which benefit from a high Cha or a high Wis. Let's give these stats: 12 12 14 15 10 11Paladin A: Str 15 Dex 10 Con 14 Int 11 Wis 12 Cha 12Paladin B: Str 12 Dex 12 Con 11 Int 10 Wis 14 Cha 15Paladin C: Str 14 Dex 10 Con 12  Int 11 Wis 10 Cha 15Paladin A can kick butt, but he's really just a Warrior with some nice saves; he's not really getting much out of most class abilities. His skills, spellcasting, turning, everything isn't going to go far.Paladin B can reap his class abilities; from Divine Grace, Spellcasting, Turning And those skills of his that, mostly, depend upon Cha or Wis. Except that he's not going to be as useful in the party against most foes - he can resist their save-forcing attacks, but he's not going to be doing a lot of butt kicking; he's more like a subpar cleric with a higher BAB and 1 more HP per HD. Paladin C can kick a little but (but not much) and his Cha based skills and abilities are actually useful. But he's spread pretty thin. IMHO all three of these paladins suck. Because they have some abilities that are just sitting there not getting utilized because of their poor stats.If Smiter Paladin can say "Hey, I don't really want Divine Grace since it's sitting there doing nothing, can I do something with my mount instead", that's fine. But I havn't seen that's the case.</blockquote>

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