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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jasin" data-source="post: 3862668" data-attributes="member: 7531">I don't know your players, there might be significant bias hidden in this observation. IME, folks who use PHB only are the kind of folks who don't enjoy the optimization minigame, and they get overshadowed because they're not good at it at least as much as because the PHB options are objectively weaker.Do you think any book has a 4th-level spell more powerful than polymorph? A 6th-level spell more powerful than planar binding? A base class more powerful than the cleric?Do you think the PHB has a class less powerful than the hexblade?That said, additional options increase the power level ever so slightly even if they don't increase the upper bound. Sound lance (single target sonic damage evocation, Clr 4) isn't more powerful than divine power, but a cleric who prepares both and uses them as appropriate is more powerful than a cleric with just divine power.</blockquote>