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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vradna" data-source="post: 3994103" data-attributes="member: 21102">I would have to disagree with you.  I don't believe IconoclastX ever said anything about killing gods at all.  I also believe that the concept 'unkillable gods' is a 2e construct is quite incorrect; Gods have been statted since 1st Edition D&D, implying that they can be defeated using game mechanics. 1st Ed Deities and Demigods book stated that a deity may only be killed if slain by an equal or superior god (and such godly confrontations are rare), meaning if the PCs weren't gods themselves they couldn't kill deities by way of mechanics, only take them on and perhaps defeat them.  I don't even think that it was possible to kill a Type VI demon without the appropriate caveats.So really, I don't see what you are referring to which we needed 'saved' from 2E.  Perhaps I misread your post and you were not implying that it was a sacred cow of sorts and the baggage that goes with it. So my apologies upfront  :\  In essence, the new FR follows what I have outlined above:  Gods killing gods.  I can now see that it does draw analogues with any conventional myth or legend, I just cannot help but think that FR is like an episode of 'Bold and the Beautiful' and the metacreator in me cannot get past the astronomically big stainless-steel shoehorn wedged between FR's heel and 4E's shoe.</blockquote>